Page 6 | If you rely on state support , you should have a great quality of life, not the breadline

confidenceboost · 2025-03-07T09:50:43+00:00

Aibu? Can we have a healthy chat on this one: I will set my position out so nobody can say I've drip fed. I would say I have quite socialist mindset to be honest although I have grown up very privileged due to my parents hard work I am from the uk but moved around as a child coming back to England age 18 for uni I have been always lucky enough not to need help from the government. I think some people probably do claim help and don't need it but mostly I would say the cases are very genuine Here's where I don't know if I am different I think you should be given a high , highest quality of life by the govt if you genuinely for whatever reason need it. Why should you live on the breadline? Why should you turn down your heating? Why should you not get treatment or help that would improve your life ? Is it degrading to give state benefit as a breadline type lifestyle? I say yes I think I am not being unreasonable saying that benefits and state support should be increased as it is unfair to resign people to a poor quality of life due to them needing help? Thank you

LeaderBee · 07/03/2025 11:39

confidenceboost · 07/03/2025 10:55

Genuine reasons guys

I cannot believe the amount of responses here

I have become disabled again in the last 3 months

I am agog

I genuinely pray nobody else has the boot on the other foot

So you want to take away dignity and leave sick people on a bread line ans you're ok if this happened to you too?

Once again - how do you propose to pay for it?

Whycanineverthinkofone · 07/03/2025 11:38

Outchy · 07/03/2025 11:32

You realise that some people are genuinely too ill or disabled to work. Do they not deserve a decent quality of life? You realise you are just one accident or stroke away from not being able to work, do you???

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O/p didn’t mention disability in her opening post. Just that all benefit claimants should be able to live with the “highest quality” of live.

so most people have responded to that.

o.p then went on to bring disability into it. Which is a different discussion. If people are genuinely not able to work, then that is not the same as someone not working but able to, who has a better of quality of life than someone who does work. Which initially was the issue o/p brought up.

she’s changed the discussion half way through. Which was a sneaky way of making it look like people are discriminating against disabilities.

Crimblecrumblerules · 07/03/2025 11:37

confidenceboost · 07/03/2025 11:21

I am so dissapointed to read the majority of these responses

If you read my other threads you'll probably see I have a Tesla. That we pay for. So why should someone disabled or sick or single with children have to not get out the house

We work our socks off and as you see when I got sick and unexpectedly so I ended up in over draft and I'm sick of being pushed from pillar to post

Genuinely so many people in same position there must be

And honestly I want all of you to reflect if you think that genuine need should still be breadline

I've said multiple times I'm happy to discuss living wages as I find it all v interesting

Despite some comments I actually watch the news read the guardian and daily mail haha for balance, the only two free ones! I also listen to lbc and I love it. I was an avid MUNer, creative writer and chef too who was in the newspaper
I am a mother of three a wife a daughter an aunty a best friend I love animals and I wish I could go to Thailand again I haven't been for ten years since I got married
I make lots of food from scratch I'm struggling with my identity since becoming sick again
I also worked in social housing sector as I believed in it all the way to my core
I have volunteered my whole life and help my people to get the right outcomes
I try my best at everything and sorry that my words were not fluffy or convincing enough
I have a degree and I'm privately educated
I want the coversation in accessible language so you know what maybe some people who are in this setup and missed an education feel they can join and share their experiences

As always it's rich people making decisions for the poor

And I've described my setup as trapped middle and we have no disposable income atm, I've been grateful for the advice but genuinely this is not ok to take my info and bring it across

Do you want a selfie as well whilet I'm at it making my case that I'm bright not stupid and I didn't know I was going to be assassinated for asking

That

Did you not ever consider income protection insurance whilst you were able to work?

tallhotpinkflamingo · 07/03/2025 11:36

It's all about priorities - lots of people choose to use their money for smoking or alcohol or takeaways or iPhones instead of heating. That's up to them.

Personally I think if you nationalise energy companies and develop more green sources you can include heating and electricity in social housing contracts by default, maybe taking a bit off the cash money you give people. However that does cause whataboutism.

Beekeepingmum · 07/03/2025 11:35

Absolutely not. Replying on the state should only be seen as a safety net. It should be the bare minimum to survive. If you want a better life contribute more to society.

NavyNorris · 07/03/2025 11:35

I see what you're saying and I think its a very kind mindset to have.

Unfortunately I think people would take advantage and I dont know if it would stop people being motivated to work.

Obviously you then have to allocate more funds for this...

Like I said, it's a kind idea but realistically I can't see it working.

JoyDreamer86 · 07/03/2025 11:34

Outchy · 07/03/2025 11:32

You realise that some people are genuinely too ill or disabled to work. Do they not deserve a decent quality of life? You realise you are just one accident or stroke away from not being able to work, do you???

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Doesnt everyone deserve it? It's not reality though.

Outchy · 07/03/2025 11:32

Iamallowedtodisagreewithyou · 07/03/2025 09:54

No you should just get the basics if you don't work otherwise there's no incentive to work

You realise that some people are genuinely too ill or disabled to work. Do they not deserve a decent quality of life? You realise you are just one accident or stroke away from not being able to work, do you???

5128gap · 07/03/2025 11:31

LittleOddSock · 07/03/2025 09:52

How do you propose it's paid for?

Arguably through the savings on more costly services down the line. If you keep people warm, well housed and well fed, with sufficient resources to participate in activities to secure their mental wellbeing, then you reduce the risk of them needing expensive medical interventions. You may also reduce costs to the criminal justice system and social care. That's without taking into account the savings in the next generation when children dont grow up in poverty. Its controversial because people are unable to see past their idea of whats fair and deserved and look at it in terms of hard cash.

Trumptonagain · 07/03/2025 11:31

cooljerk · 07/03/2025 10:19

@op where are you?

Cloud cockoo land.

PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 11:31

ReesesCupcake · 07/03/2025 11:30

Well this seems like a bating post to me to drum up more hatred of those on benefits.

Lots of this lately, which is excellent timing, given all the talk of slashing benefits for the disabled.

Yep.

Hardlyworking · 07/03/2025 11:31

confidenceboost · 07/03/2025 11:21

I am so dissapointed to read the majority of these responses

If you read my other threads you'll probably see I have a Tesla. That we pay for. So why should someone disabled or sick or single with children have to not get out the house

We work our socks off and as you see when I got sick and unexpectedly so I ended up in over draft and I'm sick of being pushed from pillar to post

Genuinely so many people in same position there must be

And honestly I want all of you to reflect if you think that genuine need should still be breadline

I've said multiple times I'm happy to discuss living wages as I find it all v interesting

Despite some comments I actually watch the news read the guardian and daily mail haha for balance, the only two free ones! I also listen to lbc and I love it. I was an avid MUNer, creative writer and chef too who was in the newspaper
I am a mother of three a wife a daughter an aunty a best friend I love animals and I wish I could go to Thailand again I haven't been for ten years since I got married
I make lots of food from scratch I'm struggling with my identity since becoming sick again
I also worked in social housing sector as I believed in it all the way to my core
I have volunteered my whole life and help my people to get the right outcomes
I try my best at everything and sorry that my words were not fluffy or convincing enough
I have a degree and I'm privately educated
I want the coversation in accessible language so you know what maybe some people who are in this setup and missed an education feel they can join and share their experiences

As always it's rich people making decisions for the poor

And I've described my setup as trapped middle and we have no disposable income atm, I've been grateful for the advice but genuinely this is not ok to take my info and bring it across

Do you want a selfie as well whilet I'm at it making my case that I'm bright not stupid and I didn't know I was going to be assassinated for asking

That

Well I work hard and have never claimed any benefits. I can't afford a tesla, and even if I could I wouldn't buy one from that nazi.

Maybe sell the naziwagon and stop reading the daily heil? Will help your state of mind at the least.

PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 11:30

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/03/2025 11:29

Your posts are becoming harder and harder to understand. Rather than venting into the ether, book an appointment to discuss how you’re feeling with your GP. They can help you. People on here can’t and some are clearly winding you up even more.

I think OP's whole thread is some sort of weird wind up.

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confidenceboost · 07/03/2025 11:30

@LivingLaVidaBabyShower

I haven't responded to anyone directly

I said the wages and living wages is a separate argument

You do need to connect the two for full pictures but actually separate them
That's like saying people in a care home are the reason you can't get a gp appointment
.. not quite

So I propose the money is taken at the top
I also think the govt seriously need to work on procurement
I would like to see their negotiation on meds and all nhs contracts it looks like the government are bleeding money everywhere

I also propose that tax is lowered to sort of 7% and then provided you pay into heath insurance gym or something more meaningful then a tax bill or stealth council tax you could get a rebate from govt

Then the people who most need it get proper support and we get most people working who can that are not at the moment

I think there's a huge problem in job market

I hated my boss for sending me out in my Tesla with my nice clothes on (btw my kids wear clothes off fb on principle ) I was actually paid like £60 a day and forced to drive hundred of miles I am a people pleaser and it was a disgusting cycle of stress

I hate that you need money to save money too
Hate it that I have no petrol bill but others do who would seriously seriously benefit from an ev

Also you know I lived in Switzerland so low tax does work

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ReesesCupcake · 07/03/2025 11:30

Well this seems like a bating post to me to drum up more hatred of those on benefits.

Lots of this lately, which is excellent timing, given all the talk of slashing benefits for the disabled.

Inmydreams88 · 07/03/2025 11:30

Ideally no one should be on the breadline.

Those who work should be far better off, even on minimum wage. Those who cannot work
should be comfortable, bills paid, food on the table and to be able to save some too.

Unfortunately wages aren’t high enough and that’s the issue most people who have who disagree with this. People should be better off working but low wages make it so even those who work full time are on the breadline.

StrawberrySquash · 07/03/2025 11:29

Itisbetter · 07/03/2025 10:12

I think a lot of people want an uncomfortable level of support with the intention of incentivising people back into work. The problem with that is some people cannot work so really you are just keeping them uncomfortable for life.

This.
Ultimately you have a few competing aims.

If there is no incentive to work then logically why would you? So you want work to pay more than not working. However you also don't want people who have no job to be horribly poor. So there has to be a base level of 'enough'. But then if you start working you will lose some or all of that help so it feels like a very high marginal tax rate - at which point people ask why are they working. And it's not like the minimum wage gives an amazing standard of living. So is it right that people with no job have even less money than that? So then you end up topping up people on minimum wage. But that's a bit of a subsidy for employers.

Added to that some people will not be able to work because of their health. It seems wrong that those people are long term on the breadline. So you pay sick people more. But that sets up an incentive to claim sickness benefit not unemployment. So then you set up a system to check if people are really entitled to it - how sick are they? But this becomes a horrible stressful thing to put people through. And also why should someone sick get more money than someone who just got unlucky and lives somewhere with no suitable jobs?

How do you square all of that? And I've not even considered the additional costs that sickness brings. PIP is a pretty blunt too for that.

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/03/2025 11:29

Your posts are becoming harder and harder to understand. Rather than venting into the ether, book an appointment to discuss how you’re feeling with your GP. They can help you. People on here can’t and some are clearly winding you up even more.

AirborneElephant · 07/03/2025 11:28

People who work should always have a better quality of life than those who don’t. The system at the moment is broken, because benefits give as good or better a lifestyle than many people who work. Unemployment / underemployment benefits should be the basics only - shelter, food, clothing, healthcare, education. That’s still way better than 90% of the world’s population.

Ideally those who really can’t work should get a better lifestyle than those who choose not to (although still not better than those who do work). But the problem is that so many people game the system, when a fifth of the working age population claim to have a work limiting condition there is clearly a huge problem.

sugarapplelane · 07/03/2025 11:28

So how do you propose the Government funds this?

JoyDreamer86 · 07/03/2025 11:28

honeylulu · 07/03/2025 10:12

I hate to break it to you but the majority of working people don't have the "highest quality of life".

And secondly, what would the incentive to work be if you could just have the highest quality of life without working, commuting, student debt, childcare fees?

And thirdly, how would it be paid for?

This is it exactly. The original post has to be a wind up surely

PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 11:27

confidenceboost · 07/03/2025 11:21

I am so dissapointed to read the majority of these responses

If you read my other threads you'll probably see I have a Tesla. That we pay for. So why should someone disabled or sick or single with children have to not get out the house

We work our socks off and as you see when I got sick and unexpectedly so I ended up in over draft and I'm sick of being pushed from pillar to post

Genuinely so many people in same position there must be

And honestly I want all of you to reflect if you think that genuine need should still be breadline

I've said multiple times I'm happy to discuss living wages as I find it all v interesting

Despite some comments I actually watch the news read the guardian and daily mail haha for balance, the only two free ones! I also listen to lbc and I love it. I was an avid MUNer, creative writer and chef too who was in the newspaper
I am a mother of three a wife a daughter an aunty a best friend I love animals and I wish I could go to Thailand again I haven't been for ten years since I got married
I make lots of food from scratch I'm struggling with my identity since becoming sick again
I also worked in social housing sector as I believed in it all the way to my core
I have volunteered my whole life and help my people to get the right outcomes
I try my best at everything and sorry that my words were not fluffy or convincing enough
I have a degree and I'm privately educated
I want the coversation in accessible language so you know what maybe some people who are in this setup and missed an education feel they can join and share their experiences

As always it's rich people making decisions for the poor

And I've described my setup as trapped middle and we have no disposable income atm, I've been grateful for the advice but genuinely this is not ok to take my info and bring it across

Do you want a selfie as well whilet I'm at it making my case that I'm bright not stupid and I didn't know I was going to be assassinated for asking

That

I am a full time carer for my seriously disabled DH. I am not at all sure what you are trying to achieve with these posts, apart from put people's backs up?

Ineedthesun80 · 07/03/2025 11:26

Also everyone I know who are on benefits,have cars,smoke,get takeaways,days out,it’s the working people that get screwed in my opinion.

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/03/2025 11:26

You sound very bitter. You need to get out of that mindset and reframe things because the only person that bitterness is going to damage is you.

Instead of being so angry, try reflecting on the fact that you live in a country that does provide a safety net.

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confidenceboost · 07/03/2025 11:25

Yes that's my thread too

As I said we run a business so we will be out of an over draft in no time when my husband can leave me in the house alone without me falling apart

And I genuinely don't think they should in my situation BUT I do think so for other families yes I do

Anyway I remembered why I don't use this forum as most of you are nice but the few people who think they are better then me or smarter then me or that I am stupid for saying people deserve a better quality of life

Hopefully you're not the poster with stis, cheating on husband, hates kid, has a cyst somewhere private, is jealous of her nanny
Thinks her husband is spying on her or coercing her
Has been told bad news and needs a safe space

Maybe I'm fantasising about better days because I am disabled

You are beggars belief

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