If you rely on state support , you should have a great quality of life, not the breadline

Reading your other post doesn't your DH help as you're a SAHM?

You say you had a joint income of 130k last year, now you've lost your 24k job but receive a higher amount of PIP so jointly that surely it should still be enough to live on.

You co own 2 properties.

Why haven't you applied for a medical exemption card or at the very least a yearly pre payment one instead of spending £1000 on meds?.

Right now, the ultra-rich and corporations play by a different set of rules. They stash wealth offshore, dodge taxes through loopholes, and rake in billions while workers get squeezed. A smarter tax system closing loopholes, implementing a financial transaction tax, and ensuring multinational corporations pay their fair share would generate trillions without crushing ordinary taxpayers.

Great. No problem.

Only you now need to ensure EVERYONE in work, from the lowest paid, most menial job upwards gets paid SIGNIFICANTLY more so that they are comparatively better off. Because otherwise, where is the incentive to work?

Not sure how you think this should all be paid for either. Well, presumably from taxes, so you're going to have to pay every worker a MAHOOSIVE gross income to be able to pay enough tax to give everyone on benefits this lifestyle.

I'm guessing economics isn't your strong suit.

but at the same time where is all these lovley companies and how much they apricate their workers etc

How do you propose the government and those of us that not chose this option pay for it? Taxed to the breadline I suppose. Great system eh

Yeh in ideal world everyone would be treated equally. I doubt you would have had the same privileges if all the money and resources were equal.

So where's the incentive to better your life if the government provides all the milk and honey?

Where is this breadline?

I help a disabled person manage their finances. They are similar age to you. They are not on any breadline… if there is one.

They live comfortably within their means. They do not use credit cards, don’t have debt. They are safe, healthy, eat appropriate meals most prepared at home and have a good standard of living. It’s all relative. They probably won’t own a home, but they will be housed.
There were a few months when this person first started living away from family when money was stretched (having to buy home items) but that was temporary.

Maybe your parents “had it better” in early 20s…. not sure how you would describe the “standards” of living you expect. Many many just out of education struggle financially.

re:disability Nothing is instant when there needs to be approvals. You probably need to be contacting adult social care or job centre … whining to MN not going to get you money.

My eldest has severe learning difficulties and needs lifelong 24/7 care. what job do you suppose people with this profile can do? How do you think you can treat severe cognitive impairments cause by genetic disorders? not every condition is treatable.

Look up universal basic income 2 places did a thing on this for a year. I don't have a pension for a start, and I certainly don't get as much as that amount you got. I don't smoke or drink, and don't have a car.

"if the UK taxes too heavily rich people move elsewhere and businesses move overseas." Sorry, but that's a tired old excuse (and inaccurate too) that only applies to a small number of greedy, irresponsible people.
According to recent data, the median pay for a FTSE 100 CEO in the UK is around 120 times higher than the median salary of a full-time worker, with the median CEO pay standing at approximately £4.19m pa compared to the median worker's salary of around £34,963pa (in 2000 UK CEOs pay was approximately 60 times the median worker's, so this pay differential has doubled to a chasm in the last 25 years). Sadly, the majority of UK and US senior leaders are greedy - they never have enough and just want more and more (although we do have some wealthy people in both countries who recognise their responsibilities to their homelands: https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/ and actively campaign to be taxed more).
Interestingly, the CEOs of 50 Swedish major companies have an annual income, including capital gains, that's just 71 times higher than the average industrial worker's salary - and yet they're not all flocking to the UK and US to almost double their incomes.

but then to flip that why is it acceptable for companies to pay as little as possible then make so much profits of those very same workers ? lets not forget all the outsourcing some companies use, etc

Plenty of working people do

but thats where society is heading at some point there will be a robot economy, and as proven companies dont want to pay what they do so then how can people as a whole survive if even companies dont want to pay

This is the crux of this issue for me.

I do genuinely think everybody should have enough to be comfortable, nobody should be worrying about the heating, food on the table, replacing their clothes & shoes, being able to pay for petrol/public transport- I do agree with that.

BUT, there isn’t a magic money tree. Do I think that people who are working full time, lots of whom are already struggling to make ends meet themselves, should be paying even MORE in tax to fund more extensive benefits for those not working? Honestly, no.

I know lots of families who are earning two wages and still can’t leave the heating on stress free, save money or go on holiday so no I don’t think those not working should have those at the further expense of those working.

Very few people are too ill or disabled to work at all for an entire lifetime.

Certain disabilities such as a bad back or depression do seem a one-way ticket to a life on benefits and they shouldn't be - there should be adequate resources within the health service to treat people. I don't know a single person with back problems who hasn't had to pay for private physio/treatment to fully mobilise again and that's a scandal that could be fixed rather than writing people off.

Put everyone on Universal Basic Wage of 1600 a month - result you don't have to work, you can sleep in, binge watch Netflix, enjoy the luxury life style. While eating that takeaway.

I am paying for other people to have their heating on when I am sat here working 45 hours a week in a house I can't afford to heat.

Tell me how that makes sense?

YABU
A reasonable quality of life, no one should argue with that
But it depends on what state support and why
JSA is very different from PIP and ESA
Why should someone looking for work (JSA) be given enough money for holidays and luxuries taken from people who work and ofttimes can't afford those themselves?

Sorry but YABU. In general terms state benefits should be seen as a safety net to
ensure that the basics are catered for. Not a route to aspirational living. There’s got to be an incentive for people to want to improve their own situation even if doing so is difficult.

There’s also got to be an expectation that you have a responsibility to manage your own affairs. Don’t have another 4 kids if you can’t afford the first 2. Work evenings and weekends if necessary. If you want a stable roof over your head and a nice place to live the reality is you have to work out early on how to afford it. I see so many people with health issues but who are not addressing them and instead seem determined not to work and it’s not doing them or any of us any favours just to accept this.

I would make a clear exception for disabled people who are genuinely unable to work but I would expect there to be a high bar to be able to claim enhanced disability benefits. There are very few people who cannot do some form of work with appropriate support. Quality of life is also about much more than a large wedge of cash being handed out too.