To think that some people’s actions are so vile, it feels like they’re not even human?

Yes, was watching a doco about Peter Tobin the other day. What a truly evil man.

Also agree on Andreas Lubnitz and any family annihilator types as well as usual suspects like Hitler, Kim Jong Il, etc

Yes OP, there are people who are beyond redemption. I read an article by an eminent psychologist recently which said that serial killers, paedophiles, rapists and people who torture animals (amongst other examples) can never, ever be rehabilitated. I used to think when I was younger that everyone could be "saved", or at least deserved the chance. I do not believe that anymore.

I have sympathy for thoswho feel depressed enough to take their own lives, but those who take others with them not so much. There are exceptions such as poor Andrea Yates, of course.

It's really dangerous to say bad humans are not even human, I think. Calling paedophiles, serial killers, dictators etc 'monsters' others them so we can argue we're alright. Whitewashing humanity won't help us fix it though and its the height of arrogance. It goes like this:

'Humans are good.'
'Those people are not good.'
'Therefore those people are not human.'

But that's logically nonsense, because the basic premise is not true - what defines us as human is not our goodness but our DNA. If they have human DNA they are human. But if that's true, your argument has to go like this:

'Humans are those with human DNA.
Some people with human DNA are bad.
Therefore some humans are bad.'

And people don't want to accept that. Some humans are bad. They're human, like you, but they're bad.

We need a good news channel. A place to show good deeds being done around the world.

Agree ,anyone who tortures and murders other human beings,paedophiles , child murderers etc . These creatures shouldn’t be allowed to exist.

I know trump is a total dickhead but he doesnt compare with bellfield at all.

This, for goodness sake!

Stop commandeering this thread to dehumanise people whose politics you disagree with. Doing that actually makes you one of the bad guys, not the one of the good guys.

Of course you're not being too harsh. The people who hacked their neighbours up in the Rwandan genocide are normal people.

I've heard people who would consider themselves perfectly civilised, even decent, justifying genocide.

There's a lot of darkness in human nature.

At its worst, I stopped thinking of my Ex as human. I started to think of him as 'It'. As in, 'Oh God, its home.' He didn't behave like normal adults do. There were reasons for that, but that didn't make living with him any less traumatic.

I have a feeling OP didn’t mean politics....

Was he that selfish pilot who flew his plane into a mountain?

Definitely these people exist (JD Vance?!) But I'm an optimist and believe they are the minority.

@AlertBird
Yes. I'm 3hrs past separation from my ex partner and father of my children. When we separated (which he also wanted) band then I met someone else.
He went on a witch hunt to separate me from my family (who I had looked after for years) and my local friends. And then they set social services on to me alleging that I was an incapable mother.
There is abuse and then there is evil.

Alrighty.
Andreas Lubitz.

Of course you are. We do have freedom of speech here despite what that idiot Vance thinks. I just haven't seen any evidence of the vile actions and inhuman behaviour that the thread asks about. If you've got any, feel free to share!

"Bots, Russian trolls". 🤣
I'm Czech, actually.
Am I allowed NOT to worship Zelensky and his actions???
Thank you.
PS: I speak Russian a bit, enough not to get lost if ever in their territory 😊

The Southport killer
Jonty Bravery (guy who pushed a little kid off a gallery balcony)
Pol pot
Hitler
Stalin

I'm going with the dictators of the world and Trump.
Serial killers are likely to have physical brain damage, so even they aren't ALL "evil" - it's simply an inability to see other people are real due to (usually) abuse or violence as a child that damages the part of the brain that regulates emotions, the idea of consequences and empathy.

Trump and dictators are just narc psychopaths. This are the "vilest" kind of people as they have power, money and freedom to enact any kind of hatred they want on more people.

I thought Trump straight away. He definitely has narcissistic traits and a bully.

I'm reminded that Terry Pratchett wrote that humans are 'where the falling angel meets the rising ape'.

Quick off the mark with the anti Zelensky posts! How enthusiastic you are to make this point. I'll wait to see when he mocks disabled people live on TV or one of the many, many other things that would put him on a par with let's say other world leaders.

I think history has shown us that dehumanising people is very dangerous.

Was once at the seafront and a man and his two children were putting chips down for the seagulls to come over to, then throwing chips at them or shouting. I shouted ‘hey’ at them and got the most chilling stare back from the dad