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Gentle Parenting has failed, lets accept this.

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Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:07

I read everyday about children's behaviour, even primary school age where they are out of control, don't fear or respect adults and this is all down to that loverly middle class BS known as 'Gentle Parenting'.

Let's just call this out for what it is, because it does not work. I have a friend who's 8 year old son does what he likes, is disrespectful, hits his mum and no amount of 'punishment' such as removal of electronic devices etc makes a blind bit of difference, he just does not care.

So how do we discipline children like this? is it really bad to give them a measured smack on the back of the legs/bum? Obviously there is a difference between a smack to correct a child and beating the hell out of them which is child abuse and should be prosecuted, and in England smacking is still legal.......

In years gone by their have always been kids that will go too far, and by this I mean the James Bulger killers who I think no amount of discipline would have changed their outcome in life, but for the majority of kids I feel we are failing them with this soft approach where there think they can do anything without repercussions.

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OP posts:
Prevalence · 06/03/2025 11:48

Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:27

oh grow up ffs. You are exactly why this generation of kids are so messed up. Nowhere have I advocated assault. Tbh carry one with your blinkered ways and I bet any teacher will come on here and say this is exactly why kids make their job hell and have no respect today.

Okay, so if a teacher smacked your child to "correct them" you'd be fine with that presumably?

Goldbar · 06/03/2025 11:48

It is not generally the children who are loved, nurtured, protected and encouraged by their parents, and whose needs are met, who are causing the biggest issues in schools, however they are parented.

Ughouchargh · 06/03/2025 11:47

If you do something I don't like, can I hit you?

ArabellaScott · 06/03/2025 11:47

You know that there is a huge middle ground between permissive parenting with poor boundaries and physically abusive parenting.

Edit: I've phrased that badly - it's not a spectrum! There are lots of different ways to parent, not only 'gentle parenting' and 'smacking'.

Boardingschoolmumoftwo · 06/03/2025 11:47

You lost me at smacking. I am a very strict mum, I’m so firm with my boys and they respect me for it but as soon as you are violent you have lost control. In no other realm in life would we condone violence to change behaviour. I also despair of how many people implement gentle parenting and a lot of the behaviours I see in children today but smacking will not ever be the solution and you spoil your point by suggesting it could be

wherearemypastnames · 06/03/2025 11:47

What missing is any alternative to smacking - excluding children from
Schools doesn't help - making them go elsewhere ( boot camp ) might be one option

All
Options cost money though and that's what's missing

Many children and families would be less bother if they had mental health help and support

whatsthatBout · 06/03/2025 11:45

I think smacking is the very definition of lazy parenting- CBA to do anything than just give your kid a tap when they don’t do what you want them to 🙄
Most people are horrified at the thought of a person smacking their (grown adult) partner because they’ve displeased them, so why does that scenario suddenly become okay just because one person is even younger and smaller?

I also think ‘gentle parenting’ becomes a pretty meaningless term in these discussions because it appears to have completely different definitions to different people. For some it means active and involved parenting with the absence of shouting and physical ‘discipline’ whilst others use it as blanket term for any kind of parenting where there are zero rules/boundaries/consequences and borderline negligence.

Wildflowers99 · 06/03/2025 11:45

Prevalence · 06/03/2025 11:45

Oh yes, there's no anger, aggression or violence from adults 30+ we're all happy and merry and never assault each other...

Why are children the most violent they’ve ever been despite being the least likely to be smacked by parents? Can you explain it?

MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 06/03/2025 11:45

Would you hit an adult OP, or is it just children who you think should be abused?

Violence - and yes that is what you are suggesting - is always wrong.

Jc2001 · 06/03/2025 11:45

Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:22

then why is it still legal in england to 'smack' children?

Just because something is legal (at the moment) it doesn't mean it's right. I think England is behind on this.

It was legal to hit children with a cane in school up until the mid-80s which seems madness now.

I can't get my head around how some people would think that hitting another adult is totally unacceptable but hitting a young child is.

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 06/03/2025 11:45

I often wonder about the correlation between little girls who were smacked as children and women who accept violence from male partners…..

anniegun · 06/03/2025 11:45

We were gentle parents , never had big behavioural issues with our kids. They are rounded , caring adults now. Most kids in jail were beaten and yelled at by their parents

Prevalence · 06/03/2025 11:45

Wildflowers99 · 06/03/2025 11:43

It used to work thought didn’t it? How many kids used to hit their parents compared to now? The irony is kids have only become this violent since smacking was made illegal. How do you square that one?

Oh yes, there's no anger, aggression or violence from adults 30+ we're all happy and merry and never assault each other...

Wildflowers99 · 06/03/2025 11:45

peachgreen · 06/03/2025 11:44

Don't be so fucking ridiculous. DD is 7 and I have never, not once, not for a second, wanted to smack her.

I'm not a gentle parent – though I know plenty who are, and their children are a mixed bag just like the rest of ours! – and I am pretty strict with DD (as a solo parent, I had to be), but smacking has been proven time and time again to be an ineffective mode of discipline, as well as, quite frankly, morally wrong. There is something wrong with people who can bear to smack their children, to be honest.

You have 1 child and a female one. Mums of 3 boys will likely have a radically different parenting experience to you.

wherearemypastnames · 06/03/2025 11:45

No kids have always been violent and violence tends to breed violence- it normalises it

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 06/03/2025 11:44

Every few years a new name comes up to describe ‘good’ parenting. At the moment it’s gentle parenting. You’re talking about it as if everybody is doing it I would say it’s a minority activity done by a few people in this the middle classes but feel free to correct me.

peachgreen · 06/03/2025 11:44

Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:18

wait until they are 5-8 and your mind will change!

Don't be so fucking ridiculous. DD is 7 and I have never, not once, not for a second, wanted to smack her.

I'm not a gentle parent – though I know plenty who are, and their children are a mixed bag just like the rest of ours! – and I am pretty strict with DD (as a solo parent, I had to be), but smacking has been proven time and time again to be an ineffective mode of discipline, as well as, quite frankly, morally wrong. There is something wrong with people who can bear to smack their children, to be honest.

Prevalence · 06/03/2025 11:44

Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:07

I read everyday about children's behaviour, even primary school age where they are out of control, don't fear or respect adults and this is all down to that loverly middle class BS known as 'Gentle Parenting'.

Let's just call this out for what it is, because it does not work. I have a friend who's 8 year old son does what he likes, is disrespectful, hits his mum and no amount of 'punishment' such as removal of electronic devices etc makes a blind bit of difference, he just does not care.

So how do we discipline children like this? is it really bad to give them a measured smack on the back of the legs/bum? Obviously there is a difference between a smack to correct a child and beating the hell out of them which is child abuse and should be prosecuted, and in England smacking is still legal.......

In years gone by their have always been kids that will go too far, and by this I mean the James Bulger killers who I think no amount of discipline would have changed their outcome in life, but for the majority of kids I feel we are failing them with this soft approach where there think they can do anything without repercussions.

AIBU?

What if the police or your boss or your husband could smack you "to correct you"? Is that okay?

Wildflowers99 · 06/03/2025 11:43

Rachierach11 · 06/03/2025 11:41

So your friend's 8 year old hits his Mum and you think the way to teach him that hitting is bad is to... hit him?

It used to work thought didn’t it? How many kids used to hit their parents compared to now? The irony is kids have only become this violent since smacking was made illegal. How do you square that one?

Octavia64 · 06/03/2025 11:42

There's a whole spectrum between gentle parenting and smacking,

Why not try some of the stuff in the middle?

pastapeteliketoeat · 06/03/2025 11:42

I will never forget joining the official Sarah Ockwell-Smith FB groups when my eldest was a baby (10 years ago now) and I had all the intentions of being a 'gentle parent'. It sounds so lovely, doesn't it?!

She was the admin at the time, it wasn't an off-shoot parent group I don't know if she is any more.

Let's just say I left the group fairly quickly. I was horrified by some of the stories I read. Horrified. I remember one where a parent posted asking for advice on how to deal 'gently' with a reception aged child who had spent time killing an injured bird he'd found in the garden with a rock and objected to being taken away from it once it was dead by his mother.

"Awwww, no judgment here! Talk to the child about how the bird might have felt about being hit with a rock and how frightened it must have been. Remind him about gentle hands and he will learn, they don't have impulse control at this age and he was probably just curious as to what would happen. Praise his curiosity!"

I mean what the actual HELL.

I am all for a more modern approach to parenting where we encourage our children to understand and express their feelings, have bodily autonomy, have confidence, and learn make 'good choices' by guidance and learning rather than out of fear or punishment. It's common sense to me. But there is a world of difference between that and this nonsense notion of Gentle Parenting.

People say 'oh they're just doing GP wrong and being permissive, that's not GP' blah blah. Rubbish.

Behaviour in schools is worse than it's ever been. It is alarming, Before anyone starts on about special needs, I live that. It is absolutely true that some children cannot cope in mainstream school environments and their behaviours are reflective of that. They truly can't help that, but some the GP rubbish that I see with children who have these needs honestly is worse than in the non-send population. Even children with PDA profiles (which is extremely difficult to manage) need to learn and can be taught to behave appropriately as long as they're kept regulated and their the approach is adapted to take these needs into account. That does not mean allowing them to run riot, hurt people or other things like that with zero accountability or consequence.

I don't know how these so called GPs expect their children to grow into adults who can cope in society. I really don't.

A world where we parent appropriately and have expectations of behaviour that is in line with children's developmental capabilities is sensible. Toilet training is a classic example. No, it is not sensible to go back to the old days of insisting babies were fully toilet trained by 2. However, nor is it sensible or constructive to be 'gently' waiting so long for a child to be 'ready' that they're still happily in nappies in Reception class and beyond (SENDs that would legitimately cause this aside). That sort of thing is the reality of this abject nonsense.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 06/03/2025 11:42

Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:18

wait until they are 5-8 and your mind will change!

Ha, speak for yourself. I have never, ever felt the desire to hit any of my children...even when they were being pickles. I was smacked as a child, and while I am neither traumatised nor estranged from my parents it certainly never taught me anything other than to fear my father, and how to bite my lip to avoid tears because I 'didn't want to give him the satisfaction'.

We veer towards gentle parenting to no ill effect. I had a conversation with my 12 year old the other day about how he felt he'd never been 'punished', and he is a good boy.

You have to parent the child you have though, and treat them all appropriately for what works for them.

You seem to think the only alternative to 'gentle' is smacking though...why is that? Is that the only form of discipline you know of?!

wherearemypastnames · 06/03/2025 11:42

Since people get so confused about how to gentle parent, clearly it's a daft thing to promote

I doubt very much the answer is smacking

But I do think that if children misbehave it's ok for them to hate the punishment , be upset by it , that punishment needs to exist alongside education and explanation.

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 06/03/2025 11:42

Zod666 · 06/03/2025 11:16

but is it assault? in that case I guess 80% of Gen X's were victims of assault and are traumatised......as a Gen X I can say I definitely am not.

Yes, in the part of the country I live in it is assault, it is a crime, and children have equal protection against assault to adults.

theressomanytinafeysicouldbe · 06/03/2025 11:41

I got a smack on the arse when I was bad when I was younger, I learnt how to arch my back running away so she would miss. But more importantly I learned that it was not on and if I did something significantly wrong I would get a smack. Not an absolute beating, but enough to feel it (i'm 47). I would then also get grounded, but the worst punishment was my mothers tongue, god could that woman shout. I once got slapped round the face for calling her a bitch, never did it again

It did keep me in line, because I knew there was consequences to my actions. Kids don't have that anymore because we can't touch them, can't shout at them, etc.

I did smack my children when they were younger and I did raise my voice and take things away from them. My younger never did wrong so i didn't have to. I am so proud of the young men my boys have become, caring, considerate, thoughtful, well mannered, and not damaged from a tap on the back of the hands/legs or a telling off.

DH shouted at our GD the other day and she had an absolute melt down for about 1 minute. She then stopped kicking what she was repeatedly kicking (her sister), we made her apologise and then she went about her business and didn't do it again. We spoke to her afterwards to see if she understood what she had done and why she was told off.