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to think a school librarian should have heard of Wolf Hall and actually read books?

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Prevalence · 06/03/2025 10:43

was chatting to a friend - who said the school librarian where he works doesn't read books, has never heard of Wolf Hall and cannot recommend any reading books to pupils as a result ... AIBU to think this is nonsense???

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FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 06/03/2025 17:03

Hopefully Anewdawnanewname is joking?!

FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 06/03/2025 17:02

If they're employed as an actual librarian then yes, that's really poor. Not essential to have read it obviously as not everyone likes historical literature, but to have not even heard of it is pretty bad!

MasterBeth · 06/03/2025 17:00

Anewdawnanewname · 06/03/2025 16:58

I read loads and I’m an English teacher, and I’ve never heard of Wolf Hall. Didn’t know if it was the name of the book or the author! Haven’t heard of it as a TV show either.

Well done, you.

(Don't you think you should have done?)

Anewdawnanewname · 06/03/2025 16:58

I read loads and I’m an English teacher, and I’ve never heard of Wolf Hall. Didn’t know if it was the name of the book or the author! Haven’t heard of it as a TV show either.

SometimesCalmPerson · 06/03/2025 16:47

You’ve never even met the person you’re complaining about and don’t seem to realise that there’s a difference between a qualified librarian and someone on a TA wage that works in a library.

MrsHamlet · 06/03/2025 16:33

I'd just like to have a librarian in my school rather than having to fit it around the rest of my job

Ddakji · 06/03/2025 16:30

jellybe · 06/03/2025 16:24

To not have a good knowledge of youth fiction and books in general is bad but to not know wolf hall, specifically, as a school librarian isn't that big a deal.

It suggests your knowledge of “books in general” isn’t very good.

Tomatotater · 06/03/2025 16:24

Regretsmorethanafew · 06/03/2025 15:09

You've conveniently skipped over the fact that this librarian doesn't actually read books. At all.

Well maybe your friend should take it up with his employers instead of gossiping about a work colleague to a friend who then proceeds to slag her off online? Then they can sack this person they have employed, probably on minimum wage probably as an admin assistant who has no interest in books to sit in the library, and get them to find a qualified librarian to do the job instead. In sure that will be a piece of cake.

jellybe · 06/03/2025 16:24

To not have a good knowledge of youth fiction and books in general is bad but to not know wolf hall, specifically, as a school librarian isn't that big a deal.

SheilaFentiman · 06/03/2025 16:02

Regretsmorethanafew · 06/03/2025 15:59

Only when you leave off half the quote, as you did. As you're well aware, she can't recommend any books as she doesn't read any books.

Nobody is well aware of anything, TBH... OP spoke to her friend who told her what the librarian in his school said to him...

Quite why the librarian would have said that, as it sounds a bit like a shop worker saying he never bothered working out which coin was which when giving change, I don't know.

(tl; dr - pictures or it didn't happen)

Regretsmorethanafew · 06/03/2025 15:59

IButtleSir · 06/03/2025 15:24

has never heard of Wolf Hall and cannot recommend any reading books to pupils as a result

This is pretty tenuous...

Only when you leave off half the quote, as you did. As you're well aware, she can't recommend any books as she doesn't read any books.

luckylavender · 06/03/2025 15:55

dottydodah · 06/03/2025 12:28

I think she must have been living on Mars ! Hilary Mantel is a hugely successful author whose work has been televised .The winner of Booker prize twice. I think maybe even in Waterstones the staff recommend works they like and have even possibly read.I think its a poor show TBH .My friends DD had a job i the library of a girls private School .She had an English degree!

I think you'll find Waterstones staff know a lot about books

luckylavender · 06/03/2025 15:54

Bogginsthe3rd · 06/03/2025 12:00

I think the books were written after the TV series to accompany so this is ok.

Of course they weren't

Magnastorm · 06/03/2025 15:53

Regretsmorethanafew · 06/03/2025 15:09

You've conveniently skipped over the fact that this librarian doesn't actually read books. At all.

This person being gossipped about will not, with almost complete certainty, be an actual qualified librarian.

She'll be someone on min wage or close to it working in a library, which is a very, very different thing.

Arraminta · 06/03/2025 15:48

Sadly, there's not a chance this person will be a qualified librarian. Far too expensive for a school. Most likely they will just do the administrative tasks within the library

I am a literature graduate who spent 10 years working within a university library. Afterwards I did work temporarily in a school library, but none of the other local school 'librarians' I dealt with even had a degree, let alone any librarian qualifications.

ItisIbeserk · 06/03/2025 15:42

BeforeWinter · 06/03/2025 14:51

I agree as an academic in Eng Lit that the huge growth of YA has stopped adolescent transitioning to adult reading in the way that used to happen -- certainly there were YA novels around when I was a teenager, but they were just a bridge between child and adult reading, the signal you were leaving the children's library for the adult one, and when it was quite normal to move from reading A Little Princess and Narnia to 19thc novels such as those of the Bronte sisters and Dickens maybe with a slight detour via LoTR, The Catcher in the Rye and Brat Farrar.

I see my students now hitting YA series and just staying. Numerically, there's no reason why they ever need to move on. They could read YA for the rest of their lives.

I read the majority of the classics I've read as a teen with endless time to read. I've read Jane Eyre but I've also read most of Sweet Valley High. I loved Catherine Cookson but also Jane Austen. I enjoy YA stuff now and get them from the library and can imagine sticking with them if I hadn't already gone beyond, as so many of them are so well written.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 06/03/2025 15:40

As I said before, I've never read Wolf Hall, but I'm am surprised at the number of people who have never heard of it, not just because it was a HUGELY touted book (as well as the rest of its series), but mainly because the recent death of Hilary Mantell was all over the news in all formats, and the news sources mentioned Wolf Hall every single time. I remember being slightly frustrated on her behalf, because HM wrote a lot of other books, yet Wolf Hall was the only one shouted about in her obituaries.

CrystalSingerFan · 06/03/2025 15:35

ItisIbeserk · 06/03/2025 15:33

I think the Booker is a bit of a distraction here. It was only mentioned when someone said it wasn't a classic book. Wolf Hall has been the second biggest Booker prize winner ever, after Life of Pi. It's been sold in airports and stations, on TV in primetime. The average Booker winner is pretty obscure really, but Wolf Hall has been read far more widely. Obviously MOST PEOPLE haven't read it, because most people don't read most books. But it's been in the cultural zeitgeist.

And, wasn't it on TV?

ItisIbeserk · 06/03/2025 15:33

I think the Booker is a bit of a distraction here. It was only mentioned when someone said it wasn't a classic book. Wolf Hall has been the second biggest Booker prize winner ever, after Life of Pi. It's been sold in airports and stations, on TV in primetime. The average Booker winner is pretty obscure really, but Wolf Hall has been read far more widely. Obviously MOST PEOPLE haven't read it, because most people don't read most books. But it's been in the cultural zeitgeist.

CrystalSingerFan · 06/03/2025 15:32

BeforeWinter · 06/03/2025 14:51

I agree as an academic in Eng Lit that the huge growth of YA has stopped adolescent transitioning to adult reading in the way that used to happen -- certainly there were YA novels around when I was a teenager, but they were just a bridge between child and adult reading, the signal you were leaving the children's library for the adult one, and when it was quite normal to move from reading A Little Princess and Narnia to 19thc novels such as those of the Bronte sisters and Dickens maybe with a slight detour via LoTR, The Catcher in the Rye and Brat Farrar.

I see my students now hitting YA series and just staying. Numerically, there's no reason why they ever need to move on. They could read YA for the rest of their lives.

Here's why I love Mumsnet. Fascinating thread. 😀

As there's (presumably) heaps of librarian-types on here, and I'm interested in @BeforeWinter's theory that people get 'stuck' in YA, what about Fan Fiction online?

I'm a sad old Trekkie and read a range of AO3 (often porn-soaked) nonsense on there. (Some quite eye-opening/eye-watering.) Far less trouble, presumably, to read than trying to borrow/buy/find bookshelf space for real books. (In my defence I've read 'À la recherche,,,' twice, <insert Mumsnet disclaimer here>, etc.)

luckylavender · 06/03/2025 15:29

Shoutinglagerlagerlager · 06/03/2025 11:04

I’d expect anyone with even a passing interest in fiction to be aware of books that have won the Booker prize. However, I’d have to see the school librarian’s job description to assess whether that knowledge is essential. I’ve read 3 books by Hilary Mantel including Wolf Hall, and wouldn’t particularly recommend them…

I am an avid reader. I have heard of & read (& not enjoyed) Wolf Hall. But there are plenty of Booker winners I haven't heard of. It's not the be all and end all.

IButtleSir · 06/03/2025 15:28

MasterBeth · 06/03/2025 15:27

She's dead.

Well THAT made me burst out laughing and then feel like a terrible person! Thanks for that!

MasterBeth · 06/03/2025 15:27

IButtleSir · 06/03/2025 15:26

Are you Hilary Mantel?

She's dead.

NoShelfContro1 · 06/03/2025 15:26

@Youbutterbelieve

I wonder if I am your friend? I left a school for that exact reason!

It is so hard to find a school which values a Librarians skills. Even harder to find a state one that will pay a salary commensurate with those skills!

IButtleSir · 06/03/2025 15:26

Are you Hilary Mantel?

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