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Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

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Whatthebarnacles · 05/03/2025 08:53

Full on rant incoming! Ready to be flamed in the depths on MN hell for this but it really is a hill I'm happy to die on so whatever will be, will be!

I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of certain people on here who eye roll and sneer that those with hidden disabilities should be treated the same as neuro typical people.

Non verbal, lashing out? Report to police for assault - how dare they lay a hand on someone else 🙄

Can't sit still / constantly stims? Expel them from school - why should my "normal child" be affected?🙄

Stares and makes noises? Tell them you're uncomfortable and to stop immediately, we have the right not to be ogled.🙄

Can we please just stop it?! It's like the world's gone mad! All the years of effort to try and make people aware of hidden disabilities just seems to have crumbled an i've seen it happenn in here over the last 6 months or so more than ever. There seems to be an almighty wave of this incredibly farcical "BUT ME AND MINE" or "MY RIGHTS" just smash through the work that had been done and its depressing as shit.

Would you call the police or kick off on someone who spilled a cuppa over you then laughed? Or caught your face , if...

  1. They were 4 years old? Nope, so why would you for someone with intellectual disabilities? You would talk to the carer. Rightly so.
  1. If they had Parkinsons? Would you bollocks. Because you can SEE that disability and because its a physical one, then it can't be helped, right?
  1. They were clearly ND?
There are countless people in here who would because, according to them, they do not have the right / there needs to be consequences / they're an adult regardless / i am woman hear me roar etc.

I cant get my head around the lack of understanding

And don't get me started on those who turn these things into "us women" need to defend ourselves. And faux outrage "would they have done it to a man? I don't think so!" Urgh. Yes... they would. A disability is a disability, a stim is a stim, a jolt is a jolt. Hair is dangly, splashing someone or spilling something is funny, stimming is calming on the inside whilst frantic in the outside.

Frankly, it turns my stomach. Why is the world so angry at people who are different at the moment?!

I can only presume that the number of people now having been diagnosed is pissing these people off. I've honestly never ever heard so much "just because they're xyz doesn't mean that..." in my life. See also "they need to learn" or "they should know"...

I fret for my son growing up in this. He doesn't stand a cat in hells chance.

YABU - Of course ND people, should be treated the same as NT people when it comes to differing behaviour, regardless of mental age or physical disabilities associated with their condition.

YANBU - MN is rife with it at the moment, I've noticed that too.

Annnnnd..... crucify me. GO!!

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NC28 · 06/03/2025 22:43

NonplasticBertrand · 06/03/2025 22:37

You are training your child to consider disabled children to be little arseholes and to thump them. 🤔

I’m doing nothing currently as he’s not old enough.

In the future, he’ll be told that he stands up for himself and if that involves hitting, then so be it.

The behaviour of some other kid isn’t my responsibility. That lies with their parents, the school and whatever other agencies may be involved.
My son will never be anyone’s punching bag for any reason - disability, behavioural issues or them just being a little bully. Doesn’t matter, they hit him, he’ll hit back.

NonplasticBertrand · 06/03/2025 22:37

NC28 · 06/03/2025 21:34

This “if you want your child not to be hit, remove them from the school” is exactly why my boy will have my full backing and encouragement to hit back (hard and without guilt) any little arsehole who ever puts their hands on him once he starts school.

I want to make sure that if they him once, they’ll never do it again.

You are training your child to consider disabled children to be little arseholes and to thump them. 🤔

OneLemonGuide · 06/03/2025 22:33

Kendodd · 05/03/2025 09:15

What you've described isn't a hidden disability.
And the public should not have to just suck up being assaulted. A friend of mine has a autistic, non verbal teenage son, it's a real battle for her to stop him watching and grabbing women's boobs and bum in the street. Absolutely 100% not is fault, he has zero self control or understanding why he can't have what he wants (and it is sexual). If a woman slaps him or screams and pushes him off (he is big) I don't blame her, she has a right to defend herself.
It's awful for all involved.

If that boy can’t be reliably prevented from groping women in the street, he shouldn’t be allowed in the street, period.

It’s a sad situation, and I’d feel sorry for the boy, but that wouldn’t trump a woman’s right not to be molested in the street.

Toomuchsaltineverthing · 06/03/2025 22:18

DaveyTheCavy · 06/03/2025 20:06

Yes but they are trained and it's a job they have chosen to do and many of them are brilliant at it . A member of the public hasn't signed up to that and maybe like me there are also ND themselves and might be triggered by someone lashing out at them. And if it's a child being lashed out at then it could kill them. Why do the needs of the victim come last?

Have you not heard of family carers?
The hundreds of thousands of them?
It’s not something they choose.

To be clear I don’t think anyone should be hit for any reason.

But I think you’re being very dismissive of family carers. That’s the point I’m making. You seem to have never given their reality a single thought. Most people caring for troubled children, especially those with hidden disabilities, are not trained professionals and they did not choose this.

XWKD · 06/03/2025 21:54

Parents/carers have an incredibly difficult job and have my sympathies and admiration, but it would be unreasonable to expect anyone to find assault acceptable.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:54

At risk of being raked over the coals for offering an opinion. What I taught mine was to say getting louder with each sentence if it didn’t stop

STOP You are hurting me Anna

STOP ANNA you are hurting me

STOP ANNA YOU ARE HURTING ME

IMO if a teacher/adult hasn’t stepped in by then they can hit back and run away. If they saty the other child’s name it helps the person in charge see what’s happening more easily. That obviously doesn’t work if you have a violent child throwing things across a room but hitting him won’t either.

NC28 · 06/03/2025 21:43

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:37

You might regret that @NC28 it’s going to open him up to so much that really isn’t good.

I hear you, I know the negative potential outcomes for the future.

It’s when I read threads like this and hear about the prevalence of primary school violence that I just can’t bear to think of my son turning into an anxious, crying, fearful shadow of himself. 😫

Rock and a hard place.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:43

It sounds so much better @Downtoearthandsinksthesun you must be so relieved.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 06/03/2025 21:38

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:28

@Downtoearthandsinksthesun i think that sounds more positive but what are school doing to keep your child safe in the meantime?

They said there will be a special teacher with him from Monday, so sorry can’t remember the name they told me. A couple of weeks ago this child got very upset and threw a chair at another child, got him in the back of the head so there was a hospital report, don’t know if that has anything to do with it.
I also don’t know how it will work but it’s a hell of a lit better than where we were.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:37

You might regret that @NC28 it’s going to open him up to so much that really isn’t good.

NC28 · 06/03/2025 21:34

This “if you want your child not to be hit, remove them from the school” is exactly why my boy will have my full backing and encouragement to hit back (hard and without guilt) any little arsehole who ever puts their hands on him once he starts school.

I want to make sure that if they him once, they’ll never do it again.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:28

@Downtoearthandsinksthesun i think that sounds more positive but what are school doing to keep your child safe in the meantime?

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 06/03/2025 21:26

After posting here yesterday, I decided to call the school again this morning. Seems the child WILL be removed mid April as a specialist place has been found. Parents of said child have given permission for this information to be given now as so many people are concerned and have been repeatedly calling the school. Maybe that’s what they wanted all along, people to complain, who knows.
We have a few weeks to go yet but the end is in sight. Both the child in question and the 29 other children affected will be better off. I cannot begin to explain how relieved I am and if that makes me a bad person, so be it. I don’t care.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/03/2025 21:22

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:13

Perhaps the difference is keyboard ranter or active parenting. There’s nothing nasty in giving your opinion to someone who asks what you would do in their situation.

I hope somebody else is teaching your children kindness if you can't see your comments are gross. Though I'm pretty sure you do and it's entirely intentional.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:13

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/03/2025 20:58

As I said, victim blaming and nastiness.

Perhaps the difference is keyboard ranter or active parenting. There’s nothing nasty in giving your opinion to someone who asks what you would do in their situation.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:10

Stirabout · 06/03/2025 20:54

If your kid is repeatedly hurt in school are you suggesting it would be neglectful if a parent sent them to school.
Isnt it the responsibility of the school and the attackers parents to remove the attacker
They are a danger to others!

But if the school are doing nothing (as you described in your scenario) of course the parents must protect their child.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 21:06

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 20:50

So it’s the mother’s fault that the child is attacked at school?
Do you usually blame victims for bad things that happen to them? Or victim’s parents for their children being in a place where they are physically hurt?

What is this nonsense? What do YOU suggest the mother does in this situation?

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/03/2025 20:58

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:47

No Im saying what I would do in the same situation and what I think of parents who don’t protect their children.

As I said, victim blaming and nastiness.

Stirabout · 06/03/2025 20:54

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:40

I think it is negligent to leave your child anywhere they are repeatedly hurt. I have said what I would do in that situation.

If your kid is repeatedly hurt in school are you suggesting it would be neglectful if a parent sent them to school.
Isnt it the responsibility of the school and the attackers parents to remove the attacker
They are a danger to others!

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 20:50

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:47

No Im saying what I would do in the same situation and what I think of parents who don’t protect their children.

So it’s the mother’s fault that the child is attacked at school?
Do you usually blame victims for bad things that happen to them? Or victim’s parents for their children being in a place where they are physically hurt?

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:47

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/03/2025 20:42

You're victim blaming and making nasty insinuations about another mother at the same time.

No Im saying what I would do in the same situation and what I think of parents who don’t protect their children.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/03/2025 20:42

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:40

I think it is negligent to leave your child anywhere they are repeatedly hurt. I have said what I would do in that situation.

You're victim blaming and making nasty insinuations about another mother at the same time.

WhereIsMyJumper · 06/03/2025 20:41

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:40

I think it is negligent to leave your child anywhere they are repeatedly hurt. I have said what I would do in that situation.

So you think the mother is neglecting her child because of another kid in the class physically attacking her? Ok then

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:40

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 06/03/2025 20:26

Missing out the part where you've taken a strop over her, very reasonably, wanting the violent child removed. You're trying to make her out to be a negligent mother.

I think it is negligent to leave your child anywhere they are repeatedly hurt. I have said what I would do in that situation.

Itisbetter · 06/03/2025 20:38

WalkingonWheels · 06/03/2025 18:29

Some people who have children in school are not parents though, are they? You do realise that not every child has a nuclear family, surely?

Yes that’s correct.