Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

Menopause can be bloody debilitating. I was going to say that you WNBU, but after this I think you are. If you want tolerance, show tolerance.

Are you in cahoots with greg wallace

I agree here as well and I'm nd raising an nd child. Nobody deserves to be hurt and there's no excuse for it . I've been assaulted by a grown man with severe Id and it was terrifying. He held on to me and my back for over 40 minutes and his carers had no control over him , I was very angry and upset as they stood there and made every excuse under the sun and tried to minimise the situation.

Yes, that seems totally uncontroversial. If, OP, the man in question in the thread you reference didn’t have capacity, then it was up to his carer to prevent him from hurting a stranger in a cafe whose hair attracted him, twice. And who didn’t manage this.

What you've described isn't a hidden disability.
And the public should not have to just suck up being assaulted. A friend of mine has a autistic, non verbal teenage son, it's a real battle for her to stop him watching and grabbing women's boobs and bum in the street. Absolutely 100% not is fault, he has zero self control or understanding why he can't have what he wants (and it is sexual). If a woman slaps him or screams and pushes him off (he is big) I don't blame her, she has a right to defend herself.
It's awful for all involved.

And yes YABVU to agree with the misogynistic comment.

I think you have to balance the rights of all people though, not just one person or one group of people, people have a right to not be assaulted, regardless of whether the person assaulting them has a hidden disability. All children have a right to a decent quality of education, if that’s not possible because of one child constantly disrupting the class, then I can see why people become resentful, even though they know that child cannot help it and also needs an education.

I think a lot of hostility comes from people feeling as though one group of people’s needs are seen as more important than everyone else’s. It’s a careful balance and hard to get right sometimes. I think it’s more than often a failure of the system that causes this hostility and resentment, as with the right support most of these issues wouldn’t occur.

This ^
especially the non verbal example.

I hope you feel better OP. It is not clear why you’ve posted and what about, it feels like you were raging with emotions and the purpose was ranting.

I agree that assault is a line.. in any form.

The rights of disabled people also do not trump mine.

You agreeing and laughing with the comment about menopausal women has lost you any sympathy from me though I'm afraid op. Menopause can cause all sorts of problems and can actually be quite disabling in itself.

You'll be there yourself one day, as will i, and hopefully you'll have learnt some compassion for women going through a very difficult time by then just as you want people to be compassionate about disabled people.

People should be able to live a life free from assault

Children should be able to go to school and work in an environment where they will be able to get an education.

I have a hidden disability. That doesn't mean I get to ride roughshod over the rights of others

Disability or not, no one is yanking my child's hair, twice and not letting go. So be it.

I think the hitting reference comes from yesterdays thread about the apparently non-verbal male yanking a posters daughters hair and not letting go.

There is no place that this is acceptable. I do agree the carer is responsible for such a lapse.

And I also agree the person suffering the assault is free and right to complain / report as necessary.

And if you were there as the carer , and your son did that to my daughter, who may herself have hidden disabilities, you can bet your life I would crucify you.

I don't have to put up with anyone hitting me, I could not care less what their excuse is. If they can't behave appropriately in society by themselves, then someone should be there to make sure that they do.

Likewise, my child shouldn't have to put up with that shit in her classroom either.

You don't have to like it, but my priority will always be for my family, not some random stranger on the street.

I always associate the laughing emoji with people of limited thinking

I agree. I was shocked at the hair pulling thread. Of course what that young man did was wrong, of course the carer was at fault, of course noone, regardless of age or gender should be hurt or frightened. Obviously we cannot know what the young man was thinking or his level of understanding. Maybe he was bully.

However, the repeated suggestion that we should respond by shrieking, screaming and physically abusing a person with learning difficulties to the extent they had a carer... It really was sickening.

We need better pay, training and respect for carers and then hold them to high standards. Of course no one should tolerate being hit but surely people should have the common sense to respond proportionally and beating up someone disabled... Yeh, youre the bad guy in that situation. My dementia-ridden grandmother once lashed out hard at my husband. 6ft vs 4ft8 80 year old, he should have laid her out as she attacked first?

Also agree with this. I draw the line at assault. If anyone out in public is at risk of assaulting another member of the public, measures need to be taken to prevent that. There is a difference physically between an overexcited toddler being held in the queue behind me pulling my hair, and a full grown adult with adult strength doing it. To note: I’d be pissed off about the toddler too and expect the parent to prevent it happening by watching their child.

That doesn’t mean locking people away or calling police. It does mean that carers need to be full time aware and direct the person they are looking after away from potential situations where this could happen.

Non verbal, lashing out? Report to police for assault - how dare they lay a hand on someone else 🙄

This post complete with eye roll and the one about having a cup thrown over you do suggest that you are annoyed that people dare to complain about being assaulted.

I have physical and invisible disabilities including autism and I don’t find it acceptable to be assaulted or scalded.

I have been a carer both personally and professionally and I do know that sometimes the carer can do their best and do everything right and that things can still happen but I don’t think we can expect the person who has been hit to be happy about it.

Also sometimes calling the police is helpful, not to have the disabled person arrested but to get SS moving and to try to get them the staff ratio and any other means needed to help keep everyone safe.

I also agree with this though.

If my child was prone to grabbing and hurting people, i would try and mitigate that as much as possible.

Assume you're referencing the thread where the young girls hair was twisted and pulled twice.

YABU frankly, if someone has a disability where they physically assault people then their carers need to manage social situations and contact to ensure it doesn't happen. They are a danger to other people and themselves.

Presumably if some one had grabbed the young man and pulled him off you would have been outraged? You are in the wrong.

It's disgraceful that there are now so many threads where young children are violent in school and they are the ones protected.

With you.

I have an autistic son. Who also has a visible physical disability.

It's not ok for him to assault someone in the street - especially a stranger. It's our job as parents and carers not to put those with disabilities in a position where they cannot regulate their emotions and lash out. Or to step in if it happens unexpectedly.

Let’s punch down on menopausal women then eh? What a vile post.

And your point is - what exactly? Individuals who cannot help but lash out should be left to get on with it? Paranoid schizophrenics with tendancies to violence should be left unmedicated if that's their choice because it's not their fault they have the condition?

I agree witth you OP, but the point is, they are hidden disabilities, so many will not understand, particularly if they have no experience of such behaviours.
What do you suggest? That everyone is treated as if they were ND just in case? But then what do you do/how do you deal with those kids who are merely naughty/feral, and adults who are just shit in their behaviour and talk?
We have so many lanyards/badges represnting varying illnesses, MH issues, and other 'differences', that it's a 10 minute job to decipher which is which, and if you don't know what a particular one represents, what do you do? Ask them? Assume?
I know this doesn't help, but it may explain why those you are angry with, behave in the way they do. Of course, the world is also full of idiots who take pleasure and pride in being antagonistic.