Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

What are you saying OP? If someone runs up and punches my child, I should what? Accept it in case they have a disability? What if they sexually assault them? Do I wait to see if they have a disability before I intervene?

I am pretty tolerant and as much as something can be annoying I can let it go, but if someone attacks me or my child, what should I do? Stand by and let it happen? Intervene only if I don’t think they have a disability?

Genuinely asking what you would like me to do in a situation where someone attacks my child?

@BlondiePortz no but I've been accused of hurting people when I did nothing of the sort

So you never harm people? Good then what is the problem? Do you hit someone then use your disability as an excuse? No? Then I presume this is not meant about you

I’m not sure there were huge numbers of people saying anything like that? I read people trying to clumsily explain capacity, and lots of dramatic “I would thump anyone who threatened my kid” keyboard warriors but not anyone offering up their daughters plaits for a tweak.

I have a hidden disability.

I've been treated like a liability, a weirdo, a lazy defiant villain who gets the blame for everything ever since I can remember.

But it's cool, because no matter what, I won't ever treat people the way they treat me. I take comfort from knowing that I would never make somebody else feel small for things they can't control

I’m not sure the parents of that little boy who was thrown off the Tate Modern would agree with you.
Jonty Bavery’s violent behaviour was left unchecked he was allowed out unsupervised and nearly killed a 6 year old.
He has rightly been incarcerated regardless of his ND.

I think posters implying that people should ignore assault/hair pulling when it’s obvious the person is ND, are doing nothing to help these stereotypes, tbh.

Being assaulted is not ok, or to be tolerated if they have a disability.

I was once slapped in the face (apparently playfully) and had my hair pulled by a lady with Down Syndrome in a shop. Everyone stood by and let it happen. The 'carer' laughed and said "Oh Carol (named obvs changed), don't do that!" but made NO ATTEMPT to intervene.

Should I have tolerated this due to her disability, hidden or otherwise? NO WAY

You are missing the point. I read that thread too. I wasn’t saying that people with MH or learning disabilities weren’t ever a risk to others. I explained that they ARE an incredibly vulnerable group and the stereotypes surrounding their experience of the world are pervasive and hostile.

There seems to be an almighty wave of this incredibly farcical "BUT ME AND MINE" or "MY RIGHTS"

That’s exactly what you’re doing. You think people should suck up being assaulted because the assailant might have a hidden disability. You’re wrong.

I have a hidden disability and completely disagree that everybody needs to put up with violence or antisocial behaviour. Harmless stimming - yes, reasonable. Making lots of noise - reasonable in a park, not reasonable to go to the cinema because that's antisocial.

Disability means you don't get to do everything you want to do. That's not our fault but it's also not the fault of able bodied people and they shouldn't suffer for it.

Many MN posters only believe in disability for children, and then mostly only their own.
I am a retired nurse for people with learning disabilities. There was actually more kindness and acceptance of my client group 20/30 years ago than there is today.
The world is going backwards.
I hate the I’m alright jack attitude. Trump has capitalised on this selfish underbelly of society and look where that has taken us, the most serious threat to world peace since WW2.
I think part of this is, as a pp has said, a reaction to hard times when some people always look for simple answers to complex problems ie blame disabled scroungers and immigrants for everything.
Also the way some people now self diagnose invisible disabilities after seeing an “influencer” or “celebrity” who says they have adhd, autism, anxiety or whatever. This enough annoys everyone (me too) and then genuine disabled people get lumped in with the attention seekers.

I read that thread and agree with you OP. Funnily enough you can’t discipline the disability out of people.
I just avoid those type of threads now because the vast majority of people will have no or very little experience of the issues involved but will think their ridiculous and uninformed opinion is wholly right, and when you try to tell them the reality of life with a child like that they won’t ever get it. It’s ignorance.

Yeah.... very odd title for this post.

That doesn't mean he should be taking any blame or be ostracised or be kicked off on. It should be the carer / parent / guardian.

So tell me op, if he hit my child what do you think my child should do. Just shrug his shoulders and say oh well it's ok, I accept I have to be hit. Do you think a child is going to understand that a parent or carer did not supervise? No. All he's going to be is upset and scared himself, yet we all need to worry about your scared child? No sorry that won't work for me.

I find physical assault of any kind, from anyone, unacceptable. Assaulting folks has consequences for the assaulted, so it should for the person assaulting.

Agree. You think the world revolves around your situation? If you are impacting my or my dc life then it is a problem with me and you are not my priority.

If you're lashing out, staring intently, stimming etc then personally I wouldn't consider that a hidden disability, because it's not hidden is it, it's obvious.

When I think of a hidden disability I think of something like Type 1 diabetes, Coeliac, MS (in some cases), Addison's etc where you can't tell by looking at someone (not that I consider most of those a disability, in the old fashioned sense if you see what I mean).

If Chucky is coming at me or my family I will defend myself. I don’t care if it is a demon child, a normal child/adult or a hidden disability child/adult.

All people react to a threat and fight to survive that threat. It has nothing to do with a hidden or visible disability.

As a one off, every now and again, most people forgive anything that doesn't cause injury perpetrated by a person who can not know any better.
When a person repeatedly behaves in a dangerous way or makes regular interuptions to a classroom session without being corrected, that needs to stop.
It is more helpful if complaints are made because unless victims object, little effort is made to change the situation.

It is not for nothing we have 'normal behaviour' and 'abnormal behaviour' even though the society is trying to turn black into white and white into black. If we normalise the abnormal totally (we are halfway there), we are screwed as a society, finished.

You won't get anywhere with this thread. It'll be same old, same old with those sticking the knife in, twisting stuff, ablism, ignorance and a refusal to learn. You'll just be frustrated with the shite that'll get thrown at you.

You are being completely unrealistic to expect people to tolerate being assaulted by an unknown adult.

I agree with the rest of your points.

What you seem to be proposing is that anyone with an additional need is never able to live independently without being a few meters away from a carer / parent who absolves them of any responsibility...

For many adults with additional needs that's not necessary or the best thing for them but it does require them to learn that certain behaviours that would be hurtful to others are unacceptable. And I think that's fair enough.

What I don’t understand is why are there so many children who are violent in school, why do we seem to be having almost an epidemic of uncontrollable children. Step back even twenty years and things were never at the level it is today. Something has gone wrong somewhere and I have absolutely no idea what it is.