Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

Out of interest how do you think nt and/or non disabled children who lash out should be dealt with? Given that you've already said that a specialist setting isn't appropriate for them

You already know I was talking about a specialist setting not being suitable for a NT who doesn't batter others.

It takes time to get an EHCP. Once that is in place things tend to improve in decent schools.

I don't really care how they are dealt with to be honest. I want my own child safe in school, not battered. I don't want my child to be suffering anxiety at 8 because another child has hurt them badly numerous times. I don't care.

I also don't care what special needs a child has, stimming, twirling, singing, whatever, I have specifically said if a child is violent towards other children and makes the classroom unteachable and has to be evacuated, they should not be there.

Ask the majority of the people on here whose children have been hurt if this happens. It doesn't because there is not enough specialist settings and all kids have a right to be educated. It is completely different than excluding a child who is being being a violent thug and no diagnosis.

is the child who hurt my daughter still in her class? yes. Have numerous parents complained? Yes. Does he hurt other children multiple times a week because he cannot cope in that setting? Yes.

Has anything been done? No.

My neurodiverse child was complete fine in a mainstream setting. Certainly considerably more fine than quite a few of his nt classmates.

Out of interest how do you think nt and/or non disabled children who lash out should be dealt with? Given that you've already said that a specialist setting isn't appropriate for them.

Is the support there though? No. Because children are getting hurt every day.

"I am indeed talking about violent children that are ND because there is NOTHING the school can do about it. "

The school can exclude just as they can for children who are not ND.

What does that even mean? A violent child who cannot be reprimanded or removed because they have SEN should not be in a mainstream school.

I don't believe all violent ND DC need to be in special schools. A DC that displays violence in EYFS/KS1 may be fine once support is in place, eg support with work and a 1 to 1 or understanding of their needs. They may be better suited to mainstream.

There are many NT children who are violent. Your problem is with the violence not inclusion.

I am indeed talking about violent children that are ND because there is NOTHING the school can do about it. There an MANY ND children who are violent and they should not be in mainstream school to hurt other kids. I have been in this situation twice and it is soul destroying to see your child come home with bruises and the school say...sorry they have SEN, nothing we can do. You speak to the parents and they say..sorry they have SEN, they deserve and education. Except nobody is getting an education are they?

Well then talk about violent children instead of mislabelling then neurodiverse, autistic, or learning disabled.

I think you are generalising about a very specific situation and in doing so creating an argument against all ND children (or perhaps all children with learning disabilities?) when in fact your focus is violent children in school whatever the root cause.

Again, I am talking about violent children, children who hurt others due to their disability. If a child is sitting there stimming they are not hurting others and of course they should be included.

What about the kids they hurt? Are they doing well? Have you ever tried your best to get a child to school who is terrified because they were hit with a chair by another child?

I am specifically talking about ND children who are violent and hurt others.

Don’t be ridiculous many thousands of disabled children are educated in mainstream schools.

Put it this way then. Who benefits from a ND child being in a mainstream setting? The child themselves? No, they are thrown in with 29 other kids who most likely trigger them, in a setting that is not equipped for their needs, where they become dysregulated and upset EVERY DAY.

The NT child who's lessons are disrupted constantly, where they are attacked and hurt and scared, where they have to leave a classroom because another child is destroying it?

The teacher who has no choice but to include this child even though they cannot control them, they cannot teach, they have to try intervene numerous times a day to try minimise the risk of another child getting punched and then they need to usher 29 kids out of the classroom because it's too dangerous?

Does a NT child belong in a specialist setting? No.

Does a violent ND child belong in mainstream setting..also no.

That might be true for some children in some situations but many disabled children with appropriate support and or accommodations do well in MS schools and many do very badly in specialist provision.

I presume you mean WITHOUT adequate support. A ND child would have the best support in a specialised setting that caters for their unique needs. Throwing them in to a classroom with 29 other NT children in a mainstream setting where they cannot cope, the other kids cannot cope and the teacher cannot cope is not the place for them.

Kids who hurt others, lash out , cause harm, fear, injury and destruction should not be in a mainstream setting. End of.

I would say Kids who hurt others, lash out , cause harm, fear, injury and destruction should not be in an any setting with inadequate support. End of.

The issue is not if a child should be in mainstream school or a specialist setting because that would change based on their needs, it’s really about where they can be best supported.

There was a thread on this. I only use it if something is funny ha ha - but am sparing as I realise it is open to misinterpretation (so only the obviously hilarious, that is meant to be hilarious).

I am going to say it because nobody else has.

If my child went in every day and caused havoc in school, hit and injured other children, upended the classroom, lashed out and caused harm, punched, kicked, bit, spat at both children and teachers, would I send them in every day knowing other children were terrified and getting hurt? No I would not. Who benefits from that? An ND child who cannot cope, gets distressed and cannot learn and 29 other children who are scared to death of my child hurting them badly, also cannot learn and a teacher who has to evacuate a classroom of children because of MY child?

Would I sent them in regardless and knowingly with the excuse I HAVE to do it to "fight" for a specialist setting for them so just let them do their worst to other kids every single day until something is done without any regard for the 29 other kids in the class who's lives are being made a misery and a teacher who cannot cope.

Kids who hurt others, lash out , cause harm, fear, injury and destruction should not be in a mainstream setting. End of.

I think young people with disabilities, and esp those with hidden disabilities, have been massively short-changed by 'inclusion' in education, where there has been no extra funding (because the real reason for 'inclusion' was to save money) and mainstream schools are a poor environment for them.

Ditto most inclusion - it's really exclusion, hurt and pain.

OP, Where would your tolerance end?
I have ND children and they have over the years got into huge trouble for their behaviour.
Thankfully not so much these days. The most recent incident involved another child who was also ND. Should they have been allowed to batter the shit out of each other? Fight to the death? Or should an adult have intervened ? Physically if necessary?

Hurting other people is where my tolerance stops.

First post nails it.