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Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

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Whatthebarnacles · 05/03/2025 08:53

Full on rant incoming! Ready to be flamed in the depths on MN hell for this but it really is a hill I'm happy to die on so whatever will be, will be!

I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of certain people on here who eye roll and sneer that those with hidden disabilities should be treated the same as neuro typical people.

Non verbal, lashing out? Report to police for assault - how dare they lay a hand on someone else 🙄

Can't sit still / constantly stims? Expel them from school - why should my "normal child" be affected?🙄

Stares and makes noises? Tell them you're uncomfortable and to stop immediately, we have the right not to be ogled.🙄

Can we please just stop it?! It's like the world's gone mad! All the years of effort to try and make people aware of hidden disabilities just seems to have crumbled an i've seen it happenn in here over the last 6 months or so more than ever. There seems to be an almighty wave of this incredibly farcical "BUT ME AND MINE" or "MY RIGHTS" just smash through the work that had been done and its depressing as shit.

Would you call the police or kick off on someone who spilled a cuppa over you then laughed? Or caught your face , if...

  1. They were 4 years old? Nope, so why would you for someone with intellectual disabilities? You would talk to the carer. Rightly so.
  1. If they had Parkinsons? Would you bollocks. Because you can SEE that disability and because its a physical one, then it can't be helped, right?
  1. They were clearly ND?
There are countless people in here who would because, according to them, they do not have the right / there needs to be consequences / they're an adult regardless / i am woman hear me roar etc.

I cant get my head around the lack of understanding

And don't get me started on those who turn these things into "us women" need to defend ourselves. And faux outrage "would they have done it to a man? I don't think so!" Urgh. Yes... they would. A disability is a disability, a stim is a stim, a jolt is a jolt. Hair is dangly, splashing someone or spilling something is funny, stimming is calming on the inside whilst frantic in the outside.

Frankly, it turns my stomach. Why is the world so angry at people who are different at the moment?!

I can only presume that the number of people now having been diagnosed is pissing these people off. I've honestly never ever heard so much "just because they're xyz doesn't mean that..." in my life. See also "they need to learn" or "they should know"...

I fret for my son growing up in this. He doesn't stand a cat in hells chance.

YABU - Of course ND people, should be treated the same as NT people when it comes to differing behaviour, regardless of mental age or physical disabilities associated with their condition.

YANBU - MN is rife with it at the moment, I've noticed that too.

Annnnnd..... crucify me. GO!!

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Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:47

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:46

It may be the best and least “triggering” environment for them. It may be the only way to access better provision or it may simply be the place they learn to do better in time.

WHAT about the other 29 kids? No child should go to school to be hurt. If it was in the workplace it would not be allowed so why is it in school?

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:46

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:44

You sent your child to a mainstream school. She will be in a class with disabled people, people of different race, religion, and class, people who have been abused, damaged, and deprived, people who are in care and people who are wealthy and pampered, that’s what mainstream is. If exposure to this environment is beyond her capabilities then she shouldn’t be there.

If exposure to this environment is beyond her capabilities then she shouldn’t be there

You are mental. Beyond her capabilities of being hurt by a child twice her size because emmm well SEN?

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:46

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:43

Yes, all parents have a duty of care to their children and sending them in where they get triggered and affect 29 other kids is not in anyone's best interests.

It may be the best and least “triggering” environment for them. It may be the only way to access better provision or it may simply be the place they learn to do better in time.

Thirteenblackcat · 05/03/2025 17:46

Whatthebarnacles · 05/03/2025 09:03

Slightly missing the point @Octavia64 but thanks for the contribution.
Nowhere does it say that hitting IS OK.

As a parent with a pubescent son who is uncommunicative, scared, frustrated, non understanding, yet walks like a standard human - hitting for him is a defence mechanism, it's also a stim. I have to be tolerant of that. And I have to calm him and assure him he'll be OK. Its not his fault. The fault would lie with me had he hit someone else. Because he needs constantly supervision. That doesn't mean he should be taking any blame or be ostracised or be kicked off on. It should be the carer / parent / guardian.

Yet there's so much vitriol on MN specifically aimed towards these people and NOT the carers. The sneering is gross.

Thanks again

I agree with you, if this is about the post yesterday about the hair pulling, yes it was absolutely the carers fault.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:45

Resttime · 05/03/2025 17:43

You ask the school what they are doing to keep your DC safe. They should be keeping all DC safe. They should be putting strategies in place.

I have attended about 12 meetings, so have the other parents whose children are being hurt. They keep saying their hands are tied and the parents of the child hurting others have admitted that they will continue sending their child in because it is their right and if he gets bad enough something will have to be done. This is honestly not an isolated case. It's happening in so many schools.

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:44

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:40

My child is not being damaged by being at this school she is being damaged because a violent child is at this school.

You sent your child to a mainstream school. She will be in a class with disabled people, people of different race, religion, and class, people who have been abused, damaged, and deprived, people who are in care and people who are wealthy and pampered, that’s what mainstream is. If exposure to this environment is beyond her capabilities then she shouldn’t be there.

Sheeparelooseagain · 05/03/2025 17:44

"The school's hands are tied because they are waiting for provisions to be made and in the meantime my child has changed from a happy little girl to an upset and anxious one."

If this child is targeting your daughter, I don't buy that there is nothing the school can do.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:43

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:40

All parents have a duty of care to their children. If you knowingly send your child to a setting that is on balance damaging them, surely by any measure you are failing that child. Presumably each parent weighs this up for themselves, and there’s no way of knowing who will be in dcs next class as this is mainstream school (that is it is for everyone).

Yes, all parents have a duty of care to their children and sending them in where they get triggered and affect 29 other kids is not in anyone's best interests.

fivefestivefrogs · 05/03/2025 17:43

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:33

What you do is take your child out of school surely?

You are joking, right? Surely.

Resttime · 05/03/2025 17:43

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:19

And in the meantime? You knowingly send your child into school where you know they are hurting others? How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? Which in fact does happen to ND kids who get bullied a lot. Could you cope with your child coming home bloodied?

You ask the school what they are doing to keep your DC safe. They should be keeping all DC safe. They should be putting strategies in place.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:42

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/03/2025 17:40

Why should the victim be the one taken out of school? @Downtoearthandsinksthesun has said her daughter was previously little girl so presumably was happy at the school.

She was, she was fine, so happy and bubbly, she is not now and she is not the only one. I have spoken to her about moving schools but the nearest is 20 miles away and she is afraid she won't have any friends. Why should I have to change her whole life because of one child?

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:40

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:36

Are all the parents whom this child hurts expected to do the same?

All parents have a duty of care to their children. If you knowingly send your child to a setting that is on balance damaging them, surely by any measure you are failing that child. Presumably each parent weighs this up for themselves, and there’s no way of knowing who will be in dcs next class as this is mainstream school (that is it is for everyone).

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:40

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:38

You stated your child was being damaged by being at this school. Why is she still there?

My child is not being damaged by being at this school she is being damaged because a violent child is at this school.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/03/2025 17:40

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:33

What you do is take your child out of school surely?

Why should the victim be the one taken out of school? @Downtoearthandsinksthesun has said her daughter was previously little girl so presumably was happy at the school.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:39

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:38

You stated your child was being damaged by being at this school. Why is she still there?

Same reason the other 29 children are still there. They get hurt too.

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:38

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:36

Soo I take my child out of the only school within miles, take her away from her friends because another child in her class hurts her? Are you for real.

You stated your child was being damaged by being at this school. Why is she still there?

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:36

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:33

What you do is take your child out of school surely?

Are all the parents whom this child hurts expected to do the same?

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:36

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:33

What you do is take your child out of school surely?

Soo I take my child out of the only school within miles, take her away from her friends because another child in her class hurts her? Are you for real.

Itisbetter · 05/03/2025 17:33

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:25

It also doesn't happen, like in my case and many others on here. There are threads and threads about it. People just like me who are at their wits end trying to manage to keep our children safe. The child still comes in every day and does the same thing. The school's hands are tied because they are waiting for provisions to be made and in the meantime my child has changed from a happy little girl to an upset and anxious one.
In regard to the parents of this child, they KNOW what their child is doing and have the attitude if it gets bad enough, something will have to be done. So my child suffers.

What you do is take your child out of school surely?

fivefestivefrogs · 05/03/2025 17:26

ACatNamedRobin · 05/03/2025 08:57

Agree with this.
Being assaulted is where my tolerance ends.

I agree. And the post op is talking about is a girl who had her hair twisted and pulled very hard twice. Not acceptable. At all.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:25

Sheeparelooseagain · 05/03/2025 17:21

"Ask the majority of the people on here whose children have been hurt if this happens. It doesn't because there is not enough specialist settings and all kids have a right to be educated."

It definitely does happen. Children with SEND are more likely to be excluded from mainstream than children without SEND, both those without EHCPs and those with EHCPs.

It also doesn't happen, like in my case and many others on here. There are threads and threads about it. People just like me who are at their wits end trying to manage to keep our children safe. The child still comes in every day and does the same thing. The school's hands are tied because they are waiting for provisions to be made and in the meantime my child has changed from a happy little girl to an upset and anxious one.
In regard to the parents of this child, they KNOW what their child is doing and have the attitude if it gets bad enough, something will have to be done. So my child suffers.

Sheeparelooseagain · 05/03/2025 17:21

"Ask the majority of the people on here whose children have been hurt if this happens. It doesn't because there is not enough specialist settings and all kids have a right to be educated."

It definitely does happen. Children with SEND are more likely to be excluded from mainstream than children without SEND, both those without EHCPs and those with EHCPs.

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:20

Porcuporpoise · 05/03/2025 17:19

I think you'll find we all want our children to be safe at school, nt or otherwise.

Of course you do so why send a child that you know is violent and hurting others daily into school?

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:19

Resttime · 05/03/2025 17:16

It takes time to get an EHCP. Once that is in place things tend to improve in decent schools.

And in the meantime? You knowingly send your child into school where you know they are hurting others? How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot? Which in fact does happen to ND kids who get bullied a lot. Could you cope with your child coming home bloodied?

Porcuporpoise · 05/03/2025 17:19

Downtoearthandsinksthesun · 05/03/2025 17:16

I don't really care how they are dealt with to be honest. I want my own child safe in school, not battered. I don't want my child to be suffering anxiety at 8 because another child has hurt them badly numerous times. I don't care.

I also don't care what special needs a child has, stimming, twirling, singing, whatever, I have specifically said if a child is violent towards other children and makes the classroom unteachable and has to be evacuated, they should not be there.

I think you'll find we all want our children to be safe at school, nt or otherwise.

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