Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

Murder is not the same as killing someone, no.

Murder causes the death of someone, does it not?

It literally says the woman was murdered and the death (not murder) of an unborn child.

Not true: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/mar/06/man-jail-murder-woman-unborn-child

I don’t think it’s ableist to not want to be hurt in school. What’s ableist is to suggest that disabled children who hurt people are best taken away to “somewhere else” rather than supporting them to stay in their school, and not wanting non-disabled children to be removed in the same way.

People with Asperger’s were described as high functioning but we also had High Functioning Autistism which allowed for the identification of a group of autistics who while having normal plus IQs had delayed communication.

I disagree tbh OP. To me it seems bloody obvious that everyone should be able to go about their daily life without being randomly assaulted and children's education shouldn't be disrupted by other students regardless of their issues.

Shouting ableism every time someone tries to talk about these very real issues is unhelpful and doesn't solve anything.

I am well aware it isn't the individual or the parents fault, but it's not about fault. Schools should have access to the right and enough support, there should be places in sen schools available, carers should be paying attention to the grown man who may grab a young woman's long blonde hair. Shutting every conversation down by saying it is ableism isn't going to achieve any of these desperately needed things is it .

Yes adults who assault people should be reported to the police. At the very least maybe the carers will pay better attention after a police interview

Yes, high functioning used to be (and still is by many of us Aspies who point blank refuse to accept the Autism label) called Aspergers. It defines it far better and allows for those with low functioning to have the Autism label for themselves. Sticking everyone on the so-called 'spectrum' means that help and awareness is no longer specific to that group's needs.

I’m so sorry you are worried about how your son will be treated OP. It must be very scary.

I do completely agree with you. On yesterday’s thread regarding the ND person hair pulling OPs teenager…I’ve had a similar experience and it really wasn’t that hard to deal with. I was the one being “attacked” and I just said, “Ouch buddy, that’s hurts!” Do you have someone with you today?” & by the time that interaction had happened his carer/relative started intervening. I don’t see why it’s hard to find an option somewhere between “do nothing” and “scream at them and call the police”.

I will say if you are “attacked” you can feel however you want about it. You don’t actually have a choice. So if you find it scary and upsetting then it’s scary and upsetting, regardless of the attackers disability.

I think with hidden disabilities people think more of people like my husband who has a stoma so uses a disabled toilet. He looks able bodied and no one would know he’s going in there to change his stoma. We still have a long way to go for people to understand ND and other disabilities that affect peoples behaviour.

So if your son if hit by another child, you will gaslight him to just put up with being hit? Is that what you are truly saying?

You equate being physically attacked daily to being in a class with different races? We've entered a new realm of stupidity

School could provide 1:1 until things become more settled. They could move seating in a more protective way and they could provide a space for the child to escape to. They need a good EdPsych assessment. There may be considerable back story you are unaware of. Children who behave like this can learn to do better and be successful.

Thank you, look I am sorry if I am ruffling feathers, it's just so hard. It's a horrible situation for everyone. Maybe I would feel different if it was my child doing the damage but I don't think I would but my anger could be blinding my understanding of the other parent's situation. It cannot be easy for them either. If I offended anyone I am sorry.

Of course you are, it’s your daughter. ☕️

I agree the violence is the problem not if someone is disabled or not.

I apologise for that. I am just angry.

I am trying, honestly I am, I spoke to her at length about moving schools even though she should not have to do that just not to get hurt. That just makes her more anxious because all her little pals are here. It just makes me so angry. There is another little ND child in her class who stims loudly and all the kids understand and give him his space, that is not a problem but the other child though no fault of his own is prone to very violent outbursts when triggered by seemingly simple things (obviously not simple to him) and hits other kids and turns over tables. He is a big child too so he really does hurt them. I also feel very sorry for the teacher, she tries her best.

Talk about victim blaming...

Where else was she supposed to send her child? The child that shouldn't be there is the one who is violent to the rest of the class, not the child who is on the receiving end of the violence. This obviously applies whether the violent child is ND or NT, the victim is not the one who should suffer any further.

Please don’t use “mental” as an attack (I find “arse” useful to express that kind of feeling if it helps). That said if your child is suffering you really do have to focus on that not whatever you think should happen to some other child.

I wouldn’t be tolerant with your son if I walk passed him and he hits me. If you’re not able to react/control him on your own take your husband or a carer with you when you go out .

They are fobbing you off. Speak to ofsted.

They are doing nothing. Still waiting to hear...yada yada.

It isn’t “allowed in schools” to be honest. The school is spinning you a line that nothing can be done. But ultimately you do need to focus on your own child and do what is right for them.

Their hands are not tied. There are lots of things they can do to keep everyone safe. They should be able to communicate to you what they are doing to keep your child safe, they have a duty of care to all of the children.