Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

Discussions around SEN should not be restricted to SN boards - these discussions are needed in the broader community if there is to be better understanding.

Are you a teacher?

Not at the cost of 30+ other children's educations per violent child. They should be homeschooled until a place is available.

I can assure they are- as stats prove.

@Tapofthemorning The "most vulnerable" are not those with hidden disabilities, though.

I can assure you they're not.

There's a large proportion of Mumsnet users who are seemingly jealous of/in disbelief that anyone actually is disabled. I suspect it's linked to a larger societal problem - shrinkflation, increasing gas bills, proposed higher taxes etc al - and anger at this. The fact wages have largely remained stagnant while interest rates have increased won't have helped. Then there's the issue some people simply can't get jobs - there's not an endless supply - and it's particularly difficult, neigh often impossible, if you're disabled. However, people don't consider the nuances of this. They all to often, seemingly without an ounce of sceptism or cynism, blindly believe the fed narrative that those who are ill are "benefits scroungers". It is particularly bad for people who are neurodiverse, I understand - the attacks on them have been shocking, but all disabilities are under fire. To me it hints of a government/previous governments who are scrabbling to save money and so are attacking the most vulnerable - and also, incidentally, those who least likely to vote for them/benefit businesses by physically returning to offices. As an addendum hidden disabilities are wide-reaching beyond the ones the OP mentioned.

@Porcelainpig People say terrible things about homosexuality and ethnicity on MN all the time. Worse things than I have seen on this thread.

That’s incorrect. From the IPSEA website

If your child or young person has an EHC plan and you want them to attend a mainstream setting, your LA can only refuse if both of these two conditions are met:

1. a mainstream placement would be incompatible with the efficient education of others, and
2. there are no reasonable steps the LA could take to avoid this (this is set out in section 33 CFA 2014).

Starting a thread like this is only going to attract the vultures. The best thing you can do OP is to ask for MN to move threads to the SN boards. Most of the posters posting cruel comments wouldn't dare do that on the SN boards and the OP would actually get some decent advice. The vulturey people egg each other on. I've asked MNHQ to do that but they like the ableist comments quite clearly.

I know the thread you were talking about and it was clear the person was unable to understand their actions and the carer wasn't managing it, but then load of feminists piled on making it about them. It's not right to be hurt by someone, but some of the suggestions clearly showed people have very limited knowledge of disabilities or completely minimalised them. Another thread recently called a junior school kid with SEN a sex offender and was cruel about the kid and its parents when it was the school and LA messing up. I don't think it's acceptable to assault someone, but these people never blame the carers or government, they blame a disability which is hard to change.

It does make me laugh when people go 'if a guy with intellectual disabilities was jumping up and down shouting and pulling my hair I'd tear him a new one'. Yeah right,I'm sure you would batter someone who is clearly intellectually disabled in the middle of a cafe. Bullshit would you.

Ultimately MNHQ are terrible at managing these threads. If people were discussing homosexuality or ethnicity such a way the thread would get taken down, but it seems fine to talk about people with disabilities in this way and perpetuate negative stereotypes, especially children.

There aren’t rules. School staff are doing a superb job on next to no funding.

Personally I think as many children as possible should be visible, within our communities and educated within mainstream schools. I honestly think this what is supposed to be happening and what leads to the best outcomes. There are of course rules about impacting others education but it doesn’t sound like they are being followed.

Not defeatist but if you want something done. Lobby for more Sen provision and funding.

It is only a moot point if you want to be defeatist about it.

Don’t say it was ok, inadequate Sen provision is not ok. Children with Sen are still entitled to an education the same as any other child.

@Ma1lle It's a fair riposte to your hyperbolic attempt to imply that I must hate ND children and (for some unspecific reason) want to remove them from classrooms.

The reason you are making these absurd claims is because you can't actually counteract my reasonable argument that children should not be hurt at school. My view is that children shouldn't face violence in the classroom, and yes, that holds for both ND and NT children. Your argument appears to be that if a ND child is the perpetrator, it's okay. I don't accept that.

Oh give over, being a ND child doesn’t give you the authority on the subject. What a ridiculous point to make.

It’s a moot point. All children are entitled to an education whether you like it or not. If councils aren’t providing enough Sen support or special school places it is not the fault of the Sen child.

@Ma1lle Again, I literally was a ND child. It doesn't seem like you are able to have a reasoned discussion about this.

Children with SEN do not need to be bullying to frighten other children. Of course other children might well be frightened by shouting/lashing out/throwing furniture especially if they are victims of domestic abuse as an estimated one in five are, or have autism or learning disabilities themselves. You don’t need to pretend children with SEN, who struggle with insufficient support in mainstream, do not impact those around them in order to acknowledge that they are also victims.

The fact is a ND child is more likely to be on the receiving end of violence and bullying nearly 100% so. When you consider they only form 10% those are horrific stats. So yeah let’s get them out. Any child who bullies another child, instant expulsion! Is that what you mean? Or is it just the fewer ND kids you want removed?

It's not somehow magically fine for a child to be harmed at school just because that child is not disabled.

@Ma1lle Just saying no doesn't change reality. No one is saying that children with disabilities are not bullied. (I was one, and suffered terrible bullying.) But there are also copious examples of every type of child suffering. It really unsettles and alarms me that you want to point score and somehow... pretend that's not the case? It's not a race to the bottom. If I, as an adult who once was a physically disabled and ND child being bullied, can acknowledge that every single variety of child is subject to harm and hurt, then why can't you?

It’s difficult as it’s not always as simple. I do see as your saying the sad wrong views of some on here.

But I say that as a mother of a daughter with autism, loud noises would make her day really out of sorts. When she was younger before we even had a diagnosis she really struggle with a disruptive child in her class - she has a very rough y3 at infant school due to a child who really needed the right support - she didn’t want to go to school we had to work hard to get her to cope and support her to keep attending.

Also as a mother of daughters I don’t want to teach them it’s ok to be hit at any age - their space needs to be respected without a doubt. I’m cautious with what we asking forgiveness for and understanding, I caveat it with it is still wrong and they shouldn’t accept it as normal.

No

Disabled young people and those with special educational needs and disabilities (SEND) are significantly more likely to experience bullying - including online bullying - than their peers. Children who have learning disabilities and autism are particularly at risk.

Some reports show it’s as high as 94%