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Wtf is wrong with people when it comes to hidden disabilities?

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Whatthebarnacles · 05/03/2025 08:53

Full on rant incoming! Ready to be flamed in the depths on MN hell for this but it really is a hill I'm happy to die on so whatever will be, will be!

I'm absolutely sick to the back teeth of certain people on here who eye roll and sneer that those with hidden disabilities should be treated the same as neuro typical people.

Non verbal, lashing out? Report to police for assault - how dare they lay a hand on someone else 🙄

Can't sit still / constantly stims? Expel them from school - why should my "normal child" be affected?🙄

Stares and makes noises? Tell them you're uncomfortable and to stop immediately, we have the right not to be ogled.🙄

Can we please just stop it?! It's like the world's gone mad! All the years of effort to try and make people aware of hidden disabilities just seems to have crumbled an i've seen it happenn in here over the last 6 months or so more than ever. There seems to be an almighty wave of this incredibly farcical "BUT ME AND MINE" or "MY RIGHTS" just smash through the work that had been done and its depressing as shit.

Would you call the police or kick off on someone who spilled a cuppa over you then laughed? Or caught your face , if...

  1. They were 4 years old? Nope, so why would you for someone with intellectual disabilities? You would talk to the carer. Rightly so.
  1. If they had Parkinsons? Would you bollocks. Because you can SEE that disability and because its a physical one, then it can't be helped, right?
  1. They were clearly ND?
There are countless people in here who would because, according to them, they do not have the right / there needs to be consequences / they're an adult regardless / i am woman hear me roar etc.

I cant get my head around the lack of understanding

And don't get me started on those who turn these things into "us women" need to defend ourselves. And faux outrage "would they have done it to a man? I don't think so!" Urgh. Yes... they would. A disability is a disability, a stim is a stim, a jolt is a jolt. Hair is dangly, splashing someone or spilling something is funny, stimming is calming on the inside whilst frantic in the outside.

Frankly, it turns my stomach. Why is the world so angry at people who are different at the moment?!

I can only presume that the number of people now having been diagnosed is pissing these people off. I've honestly never ever heard so much "just because they're xyz doesn't mean that..." in my life. See also "they need to learn" or "they should know"...

I fret for my son growing up in this. He doesn't stand a cat in hells chance.

YABU - Of course ND people, should be treated the same as NT people when it comes to differing behaviour, regardless of mental age or physical disabilities associated with their condition.

YANBU - MN is rife with it at the moment, I've noticed that too.

Annnnnd..... crucify me. GO!!

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NonplasticBertrand · 10/03/2025 17:52

Kendodd · 10/03/2025 17:07

What evidence?
I looked up percentage of people in prison with learning disabilities/differences and it was much greater than the percentage in wider society.

Yes, neurodivergent people are over-represented in the prison population but I am not sure why you think this means they cannot also be over-represented as victims of crime and harassment too. These statements are not mutually exclusive. And you probably want to ask yourself some more questions. The big association in research is actually with traumatic brain injury (47% of all male prisoners). People can become neurodivergent through brain injury.

www.thebraincharity.org.uk/neurodiversity-in-the-criminal-justice-system-helping-prisoners-with-neurological-conditions-get-extra-support/

Itisbetter · 10/03/2025 17:25

I think when you are looking for victims of crime you probably look at police records and hospital records. Looking at inmates in prison won’t tell you much about the victims.

Kendodd · 10/03/2025 17:07

NonplasticBertrand · 10/03/2025 14:06

Yes, why let the evidence base inhibit your personal prejudices.

What evidence?
I looked up percentage of people in prison with learning disabilities/differences and it was much greater than the percentage in wider society.

Itisbetter · 10/03/2025 14:30

It’s so easy to demonise disabled people. There have always been violent unpleasant people in school and in our society, only a small percentage of them are disabled. We know that a very high proportion of disabled people are victims of crime.

NonplasticBertrand · 10/03/2025 14:06

Kendodd · 10/03/2025 10:48

So anyway, I'm not sure I believe the much sited - disabled people are more like to be victims of violence than perpetrators. Its certainly not what I see in schools.

Yes, why let the evidence base inhibit your personal prejudices.

Kendodd · 10/03/2025 10:48

So anyway, I'm not sure I believe the much sited - disabled people are more like to be victims of violence than perpetrators. Its certainly not what I see in schools.

radiatorcat · 10/03/2025 09:59

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What did you do when your son was kicked? Was he a child?**

He was 8, attacked by a child bigger and stronger than all the others in the school. We fought with the school for adequate safeguarding to be put in place, and failed. Since my child was attacked, a teacher has left the school after he broke her nose, a boy was strangled so hard he had red marks left on his neck for hours, another pinned on the ground and pounded in the back of the head. Another teacher attacked in public at drop off. It is horrific that small children have to live with fear.

The school has many ND kids in it. This is the only one whose behaviour poses a risk to others. I can't see any benefit to him being at school. All they are doing are 'kettling' him. This kid is going to end up in jail and no one is doing anything to help him, and in the meanwhile so many others are being damaged.

AnotherSlicePlease · 09/03/2025 21:12

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 21:02

Yes though it may be a cause for lack of engagement in school

Yes and I have heard of people for whom the dyslexia and lack of engagement with school has led to involvement with gangs and drugs etc.

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 21:02

AnotherSlicePlease · 09/03/2025 20:38

Yes it's a very different thing and unlikely to cause the same kind of behavioural issues as a condition like autism or ADHD.

Yes though it may be a cause for lack of engagement in school

AnotherSlicePlease · 09/03/2025 20:38

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 19:49

Dyslexia is a learning difficulty not learning disability and has a prevalence of about 10%.

Yes it's a very different thing and unlikely to cause the same kind of behavioural issues as a condition like autism or ADHD.

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 20:04

Percentage with learning disabilities in the population as a whole was 3%.

Learning disability is defined as an IQ more than two standard deviations below the mean, therefore it defines learning disability as an IQ in the lowest 2.3% of the population.

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 19:49

Kendodd · 09/03/2025 18:48

Just very quickly skim googled the percentage of people in prison with learning disabilities. One link said 50% (including dyslexia) another said 30% (not including dyslexia) . Percentage with learning disabilities in the population as a whole was 3%. This was a super quick skim google though and there could be any number of reasons who people are in prison, not just violence. And if disabled people are in prison for violence this could well be because they didn't get early or better help. Also, it assumes numbers up post are correct, they might well be wrong.

Dyslexia is a learning difficulty not learning disability and has a prevalence of about 10%.

NC28 · 09/03/2025 19:30

Itisbetter · 09/03/2025 16:26

I would imagine there are plenty of posters who have personal experience of the topic. I would suggest someone who posts As the mother of someone with a disability, this thread has become a very sad and depressing read. might not be in a good place to feed the curious or educate the ignorant. Obviously that’s up to that poster but nobody should feel pressured to do so.

Who is making anyone feel pressured to do anything? Desperately hunting for drama where there is none.

Kendodd · 09/03/2025 18:49

I suppose another way to look at this is hospital attendance for violence injury and see if there a break down of if the person is disabled or not. If those stats are even kept.

Kendodd · 09/03/2025 18:48

Just very quickly skim googled the percentage of people in prison with learning disabilities. One link said 50% (including dyslexia) another said 30% (not including dyslexia) . Percentage with learning disabilities in the population as a whole was 3%. This was a super quick skim google though and there could be any number of reasons who people are in prison, not just violence. And if disabled people are in prison for violence this could well be because they didn't get early or better help. Also, it assumes numbers up post are correct, they might well be wrong.

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 09/03/2025 18:47

Itisbetter · 09/03/2025 07:57

It is odd (and to be clear I mean unusual and illogical).

Your definition doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t odd. And thank you I am well aware of what odd means.

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 18:35

Not sure about the credibility of that source. They didn’t link the study referred to so you can’t see how the numbers were arrived at. They conclude:
it would “be a mistake” to assume that autism is mainly why women are targeted by sexual offenders. In fact, the team say that the reason for sexual violence against autistic women is their womanhood.

I clicked on the link for ‘autism spectrum condition’ hoping it would take me to the study. Instead it took me to an article headed ”Scientists find Black pupils have highest rate of autism in UK”. Which goes on to state ”This new data found that Chinese pupils are 38% more likely to have autism than white pupils, with Black pupils 26% more likely.”. 🤔

Kendodd · 09/03/2025 17:52

Also, I can think of three recent incidents were disabled people have gone out and killed somebody. I can't think of anything recent were a non disabled person has gone out and killed a disabiled person. I'm sure it happens though, maybe it just doesn't get reported?
Anyway despite what I think would be the difficulty in collecting this sort of data because I believe people would be less likely to report being attacked by a disabled person (fully ready that I might be wrong) I would like to see where this comes from.

Kendodd · 09/03/2025 17:46

Itisbetter · 09/03/2025 08:15

So what is your answer then, if carers aren’t able to stop an assault happening?
Presumably if a carer is not supporting their employer then they need to provide adequate care or be replaced or helped by someone who can.

And it is different to a child having limited control, not in terms of intent but in terms of the damage they’re potentially able to do when they’re out of control. A six month old baby lashing out isn’t going to seriously hurt someone unless they’re very unlucky. A 25 year old man lashing out could kill.
It remains the case that disabled adults are far far more likely to likely to be attacked and hurt than those without disability. While I understand your concern it’s a very big jump from pulling someone’s hair and naughtily skipping behind a counter in a cafe, to killing someone. I know you are only trying to make a point but this idea of the violent dangerous uncontrollable learning disabled/autistic/non verbal/mentally unwell man is actually fairly problematic for people who fall into that section of society.

It remains the case that disabled adults are far far more likely to likely to be attacked and hurt than those without disability.

I often see this written. Do you have evidence to back it up?

I don't know how data would be collected on this either. Lets say I was attacked by a man on the street and left bleeding, I would report this to the police, data would be collected. Lets say I was attacked and left bleeding by my friends big strong teenage son with non verbal autism, or somebody else with the same level of disability. Almost certainly, I would not report this to the police (although I would fight back to free myself and prevent further injury). No data would be collected on the second attack by the disabled person.

I don't think I'm alone taking this view on when to report an attack and when not to?

AshKeys · 09/03/2025 16:31

verysmellyjelly · 09/03/2025 12:59

@Itisbetter No one has to share anything online, obviously. But it's frustrating as a disabled adult to contribute to threads like this and then have parents come into the thread making very general comments about how awful we are for talking about the topic in question. Disabled people are not just the subject! We are right here. Talking. Sharing our thoughts.

Of Course anyone can post on any topic on a thread but if you try to derail a thread other posters are bound to object.

Itisbetter · 09/03/2025 16:26

I would imagine there are plenty of posters who have personal experience of the topic. I would suggest someone who posts As the mother of someone with a disability, this thread has become a very sad and depressing read. might not be in a good place to feed the curious or educate the ignorant. Obviously that’s up to that poster but nobody should feel pressured to do so.

verysmellyjelly · 09/03/2025 12:59

@Itisbetter No one has to share anything online, obviously. But it's frustrating as a disabled adult to contribute to threads like this and then have parents come into the thread making very general comments about how awful we are for talking about the topic in question. Disabled people are not just the subject! We are right here. Talking. Sharing our thoughts.

Itisbetter · 09/03/2025 12:44

@Toomuchsaltineverthing you absolutely do NOT have to share any personal details of your own fears and experiences to satisfy the curiosity of anyone on this thread.