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to tell ex that if parents evening is that important, he can sodding well go?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 04/03/2025 22:51

Youngest of six in senior school. Parents evening once a term and every term it is the same. She is top set and doing very well, not bragging, just a fact. I spend a couple of hours sitting waiting and then probably half an hour total being told that she is doing very well and then getting the sales pitch for her to choose their subject for GCSE. Talked to her earlier about the next one and asked her if she would mind if we didnt go, she said she thought it was a waste of time. Her father messaged me tonight asking if I had made the appointments as he gets the email reminders. I said no as I wasnt going and asked if he had made his own appointments. He went MAD. I am a bad mother, I dont care about her, I should go blah blah. I said that I had been to all the other appointments and it hadnt really told me anything I didnt know but he was welcome to go himself. Again, it was my job, I am a shit mother who doesnt care about her.

So that was when I lost my shit and said "Well considerning you have never been to a single one of her parents evenings, perhaps this is the time you should go if you think it matters so much". Radio Silence.

I dont feel that it will make any difference, DD agrees.

So, if it matters to him so much, he can go right?

OP posts:
ThinkingThroughOptions · 08/03/2025 08:16

Op, I've read most of the FT now. In light of his physical and emotional DV, which you had not included in your OP, YABVU.

But not for calling him out. That was NU even if it could be seen as slightly hypocritical (I won't go, but you go if it's important to you, and you're as equally a shitty parent if you do the same as me, ie, refuse to go).

YABU for replying to his query about whether you're attending.

When an ex is abusive, you do well to learn to ignore ignore ignore.

You do not need to offer him the courtesy of a reply like you would do a normal non-abusive person.

He is in an entirely different category of his own. He needs the special treatment of being entirely ignored.

It's none of his business. He's your ex. If he wants to go he can organise it with school. If he doesn't want to go he can shut up and go away. What he can't do is pester you about whether you're going. It's none of his business because he is your ex. It's none of his business because he's not just your ex but he's your extremely abusive ex. You know? The one that is receiving the special treatment of full-on ignore.

So it should go like this:
Abusive ex receiving special ignore treatment: "are you going to school parent evening?"
You:

(Ignoring)

Abusive ex receiving special ignore treatment: " I need to know!"
You:
(Still ignoring, confident that he doesn't need to know, he's just trying to control you)

They eventually learn OP, but they only learn if off you by being ignored.

You shouldn't have to be the one to teach them but it's the only way, other than a non molestation order forbidding all contact.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 08:13

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:38

I misread the 'WOULDN'T for couldn't.

I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father. He was wrong to use bad language and call you a bad mother. He should have known that would upset you, but why would you tell him you had no intention of going because it wasn't worth it, then bawled him out because he wasn't going either.

It is either worth it or it isn't. I am sorry if you don't like my posts. I have little to no experience of posts with so many expletives in them. I have managed without them so far. I hope you only write them down and don't allow your six children to use them. They may have to live in a different world where such language is frowned on.

I wish you well on your journey through life. I hope you are able to find a new partner who will treat you better than the first two.

I hope you have a chance to read this before you bin it.

I simply don’t believe that a victim of domestic abuse would have even thought any of this bullshit, much less said it. You’ve spent the thread basically telling a woman who has been abused at the hands of a partner that she’s somehow brought it on herself and that instead of standing up for herself when she inevitably has to be in contact with him about her DD, she should try to appease him and not ‘provoke’ him.

You weren’t ’too kind’, you’ve been rude and dismissive of the OP and you’ve only skimmed her posts instead of reading them properly because you clearly haven’t understood any of them. And what you haven’t understood you’ve invented to suit your own narrative - which, curiously, seems to be supporting and apologising for abusive, controlling men.

OP’s daughter didn’t want to attend the parents evening. OP agreed they were a waste of time - and wait for it, here’s the crucial bit - that’s because OP is in regular contact with DD’s head of year every couple of weeks, so the parents’ evening wouldn’t have told her anything she didn’t already know. And there is a GCSE choices meeting to which OP has already said she will be going.

Now see if you can wrap your head around the concept that OP isn’t the one who needs to attend the parents evening - her ex is. Because up to this point he’s never been and he hasn’t got the benefit of OP’s regular contact with the school. He’s not going himself but he wants OP to. That’s a control issue - OP is no longer allowing him to control her, so he flew into a rage and verbally abused her.

What concerns me most about your posts is that a victim of domestic abuse would be able to recognise this for what it is - coercive control. The last thing they would do to another victim of domestic abuse is to try to minimise and excuse the behaviour, or try to suggest that OP was ‘provoking’ him - because they would know that these men don’t need provocation. Any contact will likely end in verbal abuse because that’s who he is. Why do you not recognise any of these things ? Why do you advocate for the abuser ?

As DDs parents they will need contact sometimes until she is an adult. Until then OP isn’t really free of his abusive behaviour. She’s not allowing him to control her any longer and he clearly doesn’t like it - hence the abuse. But she doesn’t have to meekly accept it.

You seem new to MN and if you’re going to be a regular contributor you’re going to have to get used to the colourful language. And in the spirit of that, here’s a bit of advice. You’re also going to have to recognise that if you come on to a thread, paint yourself as a victim of DV while demonstrating no understanding of the issues involved - and worse, apologising for abusive controlling pieces of shit, while blaming the victim - you’re going to get your arse handed to you. Every single time.

Tenthousandspoonsitslike · 08/03/2025 07:49

llizzie · 08/03/2025 01:30

Why blame me? The OP told us her DD has ND.

I wasn't familiar with the initials shortening the illness. I wanted to understand a bit more.

If the OP did not want us to know that her daughter has ND, why tell us?

We live in the world and have to survive. Survival depends on knowing why people do the things they do.

I am sorry if no one believes that enough to follow it, but don't dismiss it.

ND is a very commonly used acronym on here, can’t believe you haven’t come across it.

Also having read your posts, I agree with PP that you are harassing and clearly can’t see you are in the wrong. You need to stop posting

couchparsnip · 08/03/2025 07:41

Sorry - DD not DS.
I 've gone back and read some of the last few posts before I noticed I got that wrong! I'm confused now about how the arsey posts are even relevant. 16 year olds voting. What? How did they get there from exH being a dick about parents evening.
I now have to go back and read the rest.
Sorry OP you had to put up with what looks like complete nonsense

couchparsnip · 08/03/2025 07:27

I agree that if you have a kid that's doing well there's little point in going to parents evening, especially if they don't want to go. Each appointment is over in 2 minutes and they don't say anything you don't already know. If he paid attention to his DS instead of trying to score points he would know that.
YWNU.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/03/2025 07:22

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:38

I misread the 'WOULDN'T for couldn't.

I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father. He was wrong to use bad language and call you a bad mother. He should have known that would upset you, but why would you tell him you had no intention of going because it wasn't worth it, then bawled him out because he wasn't going either.

It is either worth it or it isn't. I am sorry if you don't like my posts. I have little to no experience of posts with so many expletives in them. I have managed without them so far. I hope you only write them down and don't allow your six children to use them. They may have to live in a different world where such language is frowned on.

I wish you well on your journey through life. I hope you are able to find a new partner who will treat you better than the first two.

I hope you have a chance to read this before you bin it.

If you seriously think that you have been too kind, you need some sort of psychological or psychiatric help.

Your posting style, hectoring tone and volume of posts seem like harassment to me.

Your support of OP's neglectful and abusive ex-husband is nauseating. OP is missing one parents' evening because her daughter doesn't want to go. OP's DH has never attended even one parents' evening for any of his 4 children but you undertand why he is upset about OP's non-attendance?

I would tell you to leave the OP alone, but as you are enjoying upsetting her and revelling in your smug, misguided self-righteousness, I doubt you would take this advice on board.

ThinkingThroughOptions · 08/03/2025 07:20

When you have 6 kids they learn to go without and not complain.

I don't see how you can ever fully know she is not holding up a mirror to you, reflecting YOUR opinion because she has learned to go without and not complain.

She will already be a forgotten child because that's what happens with a big family. You can't help it.

I guarantee you, whether either of you admit it, there will be a little part of her feeling that little doubt of neither parent could be bothered. She probably hates it you've both argued over it, even if ex is in the wrong.

Regardless, I would go, just to carve the time to openly celebrate her and take her for a treat on the way home. She might brush it off at the time (still reflecting YOUR opinion) but she won't be able to stop herself also carrying it with her as a positive.

Skodacool · 08/03/2025 07:11

Waterbaby41 · 05/03/2025 07:18

Poor kid. Neither parent can be bothered to go to parents evening.

Have you actually read the OP?

thepariscrimefiles · 08/03/2025 07:01

llizzie · 08/03/2025 02:17

God help us if this labour government gives 16 year olds the vote.

I'm more worried about you having a vote. Your levels of comprehension and empathy are seriously lacking but you have insisted on taking over this thread with your uninformed, self-satisfied, tone deaf contributions.

JamesWebbSpaceTelescope · 08/03/2025 06:43

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:38

I misread the 'WOULDN'T for couldn't.

I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father. He was wrong to use bad language and call you a bad mother. He should have known that would upset you, but why would you tell him you had no intention of going because it wasn't worth it, then bawled him out because he wasn't going either.

It is either worth it or it isn't. I am sorry if you don't like my posts. I have little to no experience of posts with so many expletives in them. I have managed without them so far. I hope you only write them down and don't allow your six children to use them. They may have to live in a different world where such language is frowned on.

I wish you well on your journey through life. I hope you are able to find a new partner who will treat you better than the first two.

I hope you have a chance to read this before you bin it.

You misread a huge amount! And misinterpreted the rest.

But there is no way you will accept that. Instead you keep hassling the OP. You have blamed her repeatedly for her ex’s bad behaviour and said ‘they deserve each other. Maybe take a look at your own attitudes.

As for ‘bad language’ it is swearing. You are trying to apply your morals onto others and attempting to police other people’s language. Given your moral compass being so ropey it is really amusing you think this makes you morally superior.

Thirteenblackcat · 08/03/2025 06:36

llizzie · 08/03/2025 02:17

God help us if this labour government gives 16 year olds the vote.

Be quiet. I’ve reported you for continually harassing the OP. Please get some help

JustJoinedRightNow · 08/03/2025 02:40

llizzie · 08/03/2025 02:17

God help us if this labour government gives 16 year olds the vote.

Just give it a rest now

Wanttobefree2 · 08/03/2025 02:39

I don’t think you should go, it’s a waste of time, you know what you need to know. I’ll be going to my sons parents evening this year but not going to my daughters, I know she’s doing very well academically and last year that was basically the whole conversation, she’s doing great, keep doing that….

llizzie · 08/03/2025 02:17

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 02:00

Thank you all for your responses, with one notable exception!

I will not be going. DD and I had another conversation about it and she confirmed that she really doesnt want to go either. It turns out that she also doesnt want to go the Option Evening, so that is under consideration. Further chats will be had over that one.I am not convinced that we should skip it, if only for appearances sake but if she insists, I will go with what she wants.

As for ex (you know? The question I asked.....) he hasnt responded at all and when I dropped dd off at his today (because of course I do that as he wont drive) he hid behind the door which I think says everything.

Thanks again.

Share and enjoy.

God help us if this labour government gives 16 year olds the vote.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 02:00

Thank you all for your responses, with one notable exception!

I will not be going. DD and I had another conversation about it and she confirmed that she really doesnt want to go either. It turns out that she also doesnt want to go the Option Evening, so that is under consideration. Further chats will be had over that one.I am not convinced that we should skip it, if only for appearances sake but if she insists, I will go with what she wants.

As for ex (you know? The question I asked.....) he hasnt responded at all and when I dropped dd off at his today (because of course I do that as he wont drive) he hid behind the door which I think says everything.

Thanks again.

Share and enjoy.

OP posts:
llizzie · 08/03/2025 01:30

JustJoinedRightNow · 08/03/2025 01:12

Ok at this point I know you're on the wind up now. Ignore them OP.

Why blame me? The OP told us her DD has ND.

I wasn't familiar with the initials shortening the illness. I wanted to understand a bit more.

If the OP did not want us to know that her daughter has ND, why tell us?

We live in the world and have to survive. Survival depends on knowing why people do the things they do.

I am sorry if no one believes that enough to follow it, but don't dismiss it.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 01:22

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:58

I googled MD because I wasn't sure what it was. I had an idea, but wanted to be right. I have copied and posted it below:

Neurodivergent (ND) describes individuals with brains that are structured differently due to a natural variation in brain development and function. Neurodivergence includes autistic people and those with ADHD, dyslexia, dyscalculia, developmental language disorder (DLD) and Tourette syndrome.

I am very sorry your daughter has this problem. I can understand why she doesn't want to attend, but I cannot understand why you don't want to.

I am sorry I made a typing error. It was ND not MD. I really must get a new keyboard. I would have done before, but when someone else went to use it they didn't know where the letters were so I kept it for security.

I have a lot of sympathy and understanding for disabled children. I was chairman of the governors of more than one special school.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 01:12

PyongyangKipperbang · 07/03/2025 18:54

The entire conversation was conducted via whatsapp, me "losing my shit" was along the lines of saying "how fucking dare he call me bad parent?!" to my sister who I was with at the time and sending the reply that he could go himself if he thought it was so important. No abuse, no shouting, no nothing. And he is the father of my youngest child after my first husband (father of the 5 eldest) and I divorced amicably.

SS decided that he could have contact as he has never been deemed a risk to her, only to me. So yes, I do need to have contact with him to arrange these things, but I am not some cowed victim, I will call out shitty treatment each and every time. I am not afraid of him now, and never will be again.

If you are not a 'cowed victim' as you say, why accuse me of victim bashing when I advised you not to respond to his messages?

JustJoinedRightNow · 08/03/2025 01:12

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:58

I googled MD because I wasn't sure what it was. I had an idea, but wanted to be right. I have copied and posted it below:

Neurodivergent (ND) describes individuals with brains that are structured differently due to a natural variation in brain development and function. Neurodivergence includes autistic people and those with ADHD, dyslexia, dyscalculia, developmental language disorder (DLD) and Tourette syndrome.

I am very sorry your daughter has this problem. I can understand why she doesn't want to attend, but I cannot understand why you don't want to.

Ok at this point I know you're on the wind up now. Ignore them OP.

TeaAndTattoos · 08/03/2025 01:10

I whole heartedly agree with you he just wants to be a knob and thinks it’s your job to do all the parents evenings and it’s his job to berate you for not going to one but thinks him not going is absolutely fine. I can see why he’s an ex I imagine this was his attitude towards you and the kids when you were married. You’ve discussed it with your DD she’s fine with you not going it’s as boring for her as it is for you and you already know how well she’s doing you don’t need to sit there all night to be told the same thing by all of her teachers if it’s that important to him then he can take himself down there and listen to the teachers for the first time in his life. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out who the shit parent is.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 01:01

Can someone else tell her? I am done.

OP posts:
llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:58

PyongyangKipperbang · 05/03/2025 09:14

If I was tired of parenting I wouldnt have had 6 kids! I can be arsed for the important stuff, such as the fortnightly catch ups with her HOY as she is in a program to help her confidence due to ND. It was me pushing in the first place that got her on the program. Because of that, I probably know more than most parents about her work and social development.

If you think that insisting we sit in a draughty hall for 2 hours to hear "Oh yes she is doing very well, she should definitely take X for GCSE" on a loop is me showing I care, you have a strange view of being a parent!

I googled MD because I wasn't sure what it was. I had an idea, but wanted to be right. I have copied and posted it below:

Neurodivergent (ND) describes individuals with brains that are structured differently due to a natural variation in brain development and function. Neurodivergence includes autistic people and those with ADHD, dyslexia, dyscalculia, developmental language disorder (DLD) and Tourette syndrome.

I am very sorry your daughter has this problem. I can understand why she doesn't want to attend, but I cannot understand why you don't want to.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 00:56

Well @llizzie you managed to make a liar of me, as I said that I wouldnt respond again.

But swearing has always been ok in my home as long as they follow the three rules......understand what you are saying, saying it in context and it must be grammatically correct.

Given that my five officially grown up kids swear and are doing very well, I am fine with that. So on that basis I will carry on fucking swearing.

OP posts:
llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:53

PyongyangKipperbang · 04/03/2025 23:55

Because years of abuse make you question yourself.

I know deep down I am right but.....there is always a but.

You are sure deep down you are right?

You have a 'but' ? Were you inviting comments because you are not sure? Is that why posters who look at it another way get short shrift?

If you know you are right deep down, why did you invite comments in the first place, comments that have been received by you with some very biting remarks.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:38

PyongyangKipperbang · 07/03/2025 22:24

This the last time I responding.
.
I have not accused the OP of lying. She did keep changing the story though.
Six of one and half a dozen of the other?

My story has not changed. And AGAIN you are victim blaming.......you absolutely digust me.

Every sore raised, she had a plaster for. Why not give us all the plasters in the beginning? OP had 6 children: on page 10 she revealed only 1 was his. Did he raise the other five, or do they live with their father?
What the hell does that have to do with with the question I asked (clue...nothing)

The OP couldn't go to the meet teacher
Wrong. I said I WOULDNT

The CF had a message from the school. The OP said he contacted her when he got the email and asked he if she was going. She said no she couldn't and could he
Wrong. I said I wasnt going, he called me a shit mother (his words) and I said if it was so important he should go

Dare I ask too if DH no 1 also went to the meet teacher evening?
Yes, we shared them 50/50 both before and after divorce due to usually only one of us being able to make it.

We all - including me - said he was wrong to insult her. I went a bit further and suggested she had known him long enough to know what he was like and should not respond to him. Again, the story changed.
Wrong. The story did not change, I simply took the time to reiterate points that you either hadnt bothered to read, or if you had read them, you didnt understand them.

If they cannot go together, best not to even discuss it between them. Just make separate arrangements with the school.
We have. He gets his own updates and information but doesnt want to actually shift his arse and do anything, but uses the information THE SCHOOL gives him to try and slag me off. He instigated the conversation, not me. But I will absolutely NOT take being called a bad mother by a piece of fucking shit like him.

our posts are worth nothing anyway.
Well yours definitely are worth nothing.

Oh and as all inhibitions are off and I can swear with impunity.....please take your fucking pointless self important bullshit and annoy the cunting hell out of someone else.

Share and enjoy.

Edited

I misread the 'WOULDN'T for couldn't.

I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father. He was wrong to use bad language and call you a bad mother. He should have known that would upset you, but why would you tell him you had no intention of going because it wasn't worth it, then bawled him out because he wasn't going either.

It is either worth it or it isn't. I am sorry if you don't like my posts. I have little to no experience of posts with so many expletives in them. I have managed without them so far. I hope you only write them down and don't allow your six children to use them. They may have to live in a different world where such language is frowned on.

I wish you well on your journey through life. I hope you are able to find a new partner who will treat you better than the first two.

I hope you have a chance to read this before you bin it.