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to tell ex that if parents evening is that important, he can sodding well go?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 04/03/2025 22:51

Youngest of six in senior school. Parents evening once a term and every term it is the same. She is top set and doing very well, not bragging, just a fact. I spend a couple of hours sitting waiting and then probably half an hour total being told that she is doing very well and then getting the sales pitch for her to choose their subject for GCSE. Talked to her earlier about the next one and asked her if she would mind if we didnt go, she said she thought it was a waste of time. Her father messaged me tonight asking if I had made the appointments as he gets the email reminders. I said no as I wasnt going and asked if he had made his own appointments. He went MAD. I am a bad mother, I dont care about her, I should go blah blah. I said that I had been to all the other appointments and it hadnt really told me anything I didnt know but he was welcome to go himself. Again, it was my job, I am a shit mother who doesnt care about her.

So that was when I lost my shit and said "Well considerning you have never been to a single one of her parents evenings, perhaps this is the time you should go if you think it matters so much". Radio Silence.

I dont feel that it will make any difference, DD agrees.

So, if it matters to him so much, he can go right?

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llizzie · 09/03/2025 02:07

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AuntAgathaGregson · 09/03/2025 01:23

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:23

Parents would be horrified if they thought their children were being discussed in meetings of Governors. The children are placed in a school according to their needs, and the Governors meet to discuss the school, not the pupils.

The School Governors only discuss the school needs and the supply of them. They also interview and appoint Head Teachers with advice.

The placement of children in schools is for the local authority who employ people to do that. Anything to do with the child is confidential.

This is just so ridiculous. Governors of special schools need to know about the difficulties for which the school caters because it will dictate the way the school is organised and indeed how it is built. For example, do the children need small classes or large ones; what sort of pupil:teacher ratio do they need; do they need provision for small group and 1:1 work; do they need sensory rooms, therapy rooms, hydrotherapy pools etc; do they need acoustic panelling and sound dampening in the classrooms; do they need hearing loops, or guides for poor sight; do they need wider corridors and larger doorways to accommodate wheelchairs; do they need hoists; do they need help with toileting and incontinence; do they need special diets. You don't have to have any individual child's personal details to equip yourself with basic information like this.

AuntAgathaGregson · 09/03/2025 01:11

llizzie · 08/03/2025 17:59

The role of a governing body is the education of the child, not the diseases they are suffering from. It was the job of the governing body to ensure that what the children needed was supplied. There was no diagnosis of ND before the 1990s, and ADHD was coined in 2000, the 21st century.

“Neurodivergent” isn't a medical term, condition or diagnosis. People who are neurodivergent have differences in the way their brain works. This is still true even for people with the same medical diagnosis. That means people with very different signs and symptoms can still have the same diagnosis.

It was described in the late 1990s

ADHD has only been a recognised diagnosis since 2000.

I am not embarrassed or hurt by your very rude post on my character. It may well be known to all on here. It is not to me. I suspect I am not alone.

And with just one word you reveal you know nothing about special needs. Very, very few children with SEN have them because of "diseases". Governors in a special school cannot do their job properly without at least some knowledge of the areas of learning difficulty which their school is working with.

AuntAgathaGregson · 09/03/2025 01:01

ThinkingThroughOptions · 08/03/2025 07:20

When you have 6 kids they learn to go without and not complain.

I don't see how you can ever fully know she is not holding up a mirror to you, reflecting YOUR opinion because she has learned to go without and not complain.

She will already be a forgotten child because that's what happens with a big family. You can't help it.

I guarantee you, whether either of you admit it, there will be a little part of her feeling that little doubt of neither parent could be bothered. She probably hates it you've both argued over it, even if ex is in the wrong.

Regardless, I would go, just to carve the time to openly celebrate her and take her for a treat on the way home. She might brush it off at the time (still reflecting YOUR opinion) but she won't be able to stop herself also carrying it with her as a positive.

Did you not notice that OP is going to meetings at the school about this supposedly forgotten child once a fortnight? She'd have to be going some to feel forgotten in those circumstances.

AuntAgathaGregson · 09/03/2025 00:58

llizzie · 08/03/2025 01:22

I am sorry I made a typing error. It was ND not MD. I really must get a new keyboard. I would have done before, but when someone else went to use it they didn't know where the letters were so I kept it for security.

I have a lot of sympathy and understanding for disabled children. I was chairman of the governors of more than one special school.

You were chair of governors at special schools but didn't know what "ND" meant?

That's quite some achievement. Didn't you read anything about learning difficulties?

AuntAgathaGregson · 09/03/2025 00:54

llizzie · 08/03/2025 00:38

I misread the 'WOULDN'T for couldn't.

I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father. He was wrong to use bad language and call you a bad mother. He should have known that would upset you, but why would you tell him you had no intention of going because it wasn't worth it, then bawled him out because he wasn't going either.

It is either worth it or it isn't. I am sorry if you don't like my posts. I have little to no experience of posts with so many expletives in them. I have managed without them so far. I hope you only write them down and don't allow your six children to use them. They may have to live in a different world where such language is frowned on.

I wish you well on your journey through life. I hope you are able to find a new partner who will treat you better than the first two.

I hope you have a chance to read this before you bin it.

Why would it upset her father if he has never bothered to go himself? Plus, if he takes a genuine interest in his child, he will know that OP sees the HOY once a fortnight and therefore it's absolutely correct that she has all the relevant information already.

OP didn't "bawl him out because he wasn't going either". She didn't bawl at all, given that this was all in writing. She merely pointed out the logical corollary to his criticism of her.

Why does OP need a new partner? Does it occur to you she may be perfectly happy without a man to validate her?

You really do have major problems with your reading comprehension.

AuntAgathaGregson · 09/03/2025 00:43

llizzie · 07/03/2025 18:42

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · Today 10:02

I left something out of my reply to you.

''If he thought it was important he should go himself''. Could that be taken as a reminder that he had never taken an interest in any of his children? This it hurtful. How would anyone reply to that?

I suggested she had nothing to do with him, and am castigated for that. Why?

I am far from misogynist, believe me.

Why would any woman respond to a message sent by a nasty violent man and not ignore it? Worse, respond to it and accuse him? It is the last thing I would do. I never contacted my X, knowing what I would get if I did.

''If he thought it was important he should go himself''. Could that be taken as a reminder that he had never taken an interest in any of his children? This it hurtful. How would anyone reply to that?

If he took that as meaning that he had never taken an interest in his only child, tough - if the truth hurt him, it was no-one's fault but his own. No-one with half a brain would reply by saying OP was a bad mother for refusing to go this time, not least because they would have been able to work out that it was just inviting a comparison with their own failure to go ever.

If this little exchange makes him think a bit before making utterly stupid accusations against OP, I'd say that was a definite win. I don't understand why you don't see that.

SouthernFashionista · 09/03/2025 00:25

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llizzie · 09/03/2025 00:20

PyongyangKipperbang · 09/03/2025 00:14

Why did you not bugger off as requested?

Because I have a right to free speech, as have you.

PyongyangKipperbang · 09/03/2025 00:14

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:42

Why did you think fit to respond to this poster? Did you arrange to take up issues on behalf of the OP?

Why did you not bugger off as requested?

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PyongyangKipperbang · 09/03/2025 00:12

Oh hello, guess who is back after a couple of bottles of who the hell knows what!

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blacksax · 08/03/2025 23:51

Wow there really are some hard-of-thinking people on this thread.

Good on you @PyongyangKipperbang for standing up to him. He has no right to insult you for not doing something he's never done himself.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:42

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 07/03/2025 09:28

At no point did OP say it was boring. What she did say, and which you clearly missed before wading in, was that her DD doesn’t want to go - that OP’s decision not to go was actually made with DDs input, so of course she will know OP hasn’t gone. OP didn’t say she had an important clash either. She just thinks it’s a waste of time. Like so many posters here you just haven’t bothered to read what the OP has actually said, preferring to critique her parenting skills instead of actually answering the question she asked.

Why did you think fit to respond to this poster? Did you arrange to take up issues on behalf of the OP?

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:30

Tenthousandspoonsitslike · 08/03/2025 18:41

Oh my goodness , I’ve been out all day, had several drinks and @llizzie is still spouting BS.

feel so sorry for this very reasonable OP that her thread has been completely derailed by this loon

You know what? The OP complained that 'all the posters have not answered her question, which was not about the meet teacher, but the row she had with her X over going, and what he said to her.

I commented on that, and she didn't like that either. I suggested if she had not responded to him, but ended the message, he would have been unable to say anything bad to her.

I suppose you would say the night was filled with sunshine if I said it was dark.

llizzie · 08/03/2025 23:23

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:12

In an earlier post you professed not to have heard the term ND and had to google it. I found it strange that someone with your experience on the governing bodies of special schools wouldn’t have come across this term. You’ve clearly been googling again because you’re copying and pasting. I know all about ND - have been a disability outreach worker since the mid 1990’s and the phrase was well in use by then - it may not be a medical term, but there are different diagnoses made under its’ umbrella, so to speak. And I’m not sure what the distinction is that you’re making in the role of the governing body. How can you ensure that what the children need is supplied if you don’t understand the conditions they have ? If the child is in special education then the condition is integral to that, and determines the level of need surely ?

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Parents would be horrified if they thought their children were being discussed in meetings of Governors. The children are placed in a school according to their needs, and the Governors meet to discuss the school, not the pupils.

The School Governors only discuss the school needs and the supply of them. They also interview and appoint Head Teachers with advice.

The placement of children in schools is for the local authority who employ people to do that. Anything to do with the child is confidential.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 23:03

Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 20:58

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy It's not meant to be for her DD to decide. Lazy assed parenting is what it is.

The difference between my opinion and yours is that I’ve read the full thread. You clearly haven’t.

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 21:01

Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 20:58

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy It's not meant to be for her DD to decide. Lazy assed parenting is what it is.

A lazy ass parent wouldnt have fortnightly contact with her HOY and wouldnt have advocated for her due to her ND.

But carry on making assumptions and looking silly if you want to.

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Hoplolly · 08/03/2025 20:58

@Lovelysausagedogscrumpy It's not meant to be for her DD to decide. Lazy assed parenting is what it is.

JadeMember · 08/03/2025 20:57

I just read your posts and you are absolutely correct to tell your Ex that he should go to the parents evening if he is that bothered about it. It’s your choice not to go and if you are not concerned about your DD, then I can see it being a waste of time. My twins are in the Y9 and I went to every bloody parents evening since they started school and a lot of time it was just the same stuff over and over again. They chose GCSE subjects in Y8 and now they are preparing for it, but my Ex ( their dad ) still doesn’t remember what subjects they did choose and he has them 50/50

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 20:22

Thanks again all for the contructive advice and comments.

To answer a couple of point....

DD is far from the "forgotten child". As her older siblings have either moved out or are at uni, she gets more one to one with me as a teen than they did. And due to the ND I have no choice to be as involved as I am. We are very close and she is very close to two of her sisters in particular and would talk to them if she didnt want to talk to me.

And for those STILL banging on about "one of you should go", I am not discussing that anymore. This is not what the thread was about and I have already explained the reasons why not many times.

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WinterBones · 08/03/2025 18:55

PyongyangKipperbang · 08/03/2025 02:00

Thank you all for your responses, with one notable exception!

I will not be going. DD and I had another conversation about it and she confirmed that she really doesnt want to go either. It turns out that she also doesnt want to go the Option Evening, so that is under consideration. Further chats will be had over that one.I am not convinced that we should skip it, if only for appearances sake but if she insists, I will go with what she wants.

As for ex (you know? The question I asked.....) he hasnt responded at all and when I dropped dd off at his today (because of course I do that as he wont drive) he hid behind the door which I think says everything.

Thanks again.

Share and enjoy.

I said upthread i'd been through this with my ex. He makes a MASSIVE ass of himself every parents evening for both kids, but has NEVER attended a single one.

The usual routine is he gets an email, i get yelled at because i don't go to every one and they VITALLY IMPORTANT, and then i get a rant about how the school are being unfair to working parents and purposely trying to exclude him.. even though if he wanted to go he could just book appointments later in the day (our sons are all during school hours, SN school/colleges) or arrange a phonecall which is offered for parents who can't make it.

He makes threats to email/send shitty phonecalls to the schools, and i make it known to the school that his behaviour is all his own and nothing to do with me or my children.

He never does any of it.. just blows up, abuses me, makes my life hell for a day or two, then goes quiet.

Rinse Repeat.

I just don't bother telling him now, and shut down any conversation about it. DD15 is in her GCSE year and he seems, after 8 years, to have finally decided to just let me update him if i do attend them.

Tenthousandspoonsitslike · 08/03/2025 18:41

Oh my goodness , I’ve been out all day, had several drinks and @llizzie is still spouting BS.

feel so sorry for this very reasonable OP that her thread has been completely derailed by this loon

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:24

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:13

Which makes a mockery of him calling her a bad mother and her calling him a bad father, doesn't it, because that is what the argument was about.

It is sad that throughout a child's education the father never went to her schools and met her teachers, something that should have been discussed while they were married.

Rather late to remind him now, isn't it? Two parents rowing because neither one wants to go, because the 16 year old doesn't want to go either, and no one suggested they don't take her with them.

Even worse that neither of them think it worth the effort. What about the DD? How can a 16 year old make that decision? How can parents let her, especially if the DD has ND.

The love of the child is more important than anything else. I said the meeting was important. I don't give a monkey's whether you all think it a take it or leave it appointment.

This reply wasn’t to you, but I’ll bite. You’ve been told numerous times now that OP is very involved with DD’s school. She is in regular contact every couple of weeks with DD’s head of year - you’re very handy with the supercilious put downs but you’ve yet to explain what you think OP would gain from the parents’ evening given that she’s comprehensively up to date on DD’s progress and makes it her business to be so.

There was also no ‘argument’ between OP and her ex. He asked a question, she answered it, and because he’s a controlling narcissistic arse and OP wasn’t obeying him, he kicked off at her. Not the other way around.

Oh and by the way your ableism is showing again. Because she is ND doesn’t mean that DD isn’t more than capable of making decisions for herself. She’s clearly doing well, knows what she wants and is being given the autonomy she deserves. So it’s back to Google for you then, because you clearly think ND means some sort of learning disability. Sorry to disappoint.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 08/03/2025 18:16

llizzie · 08/03/2025 18:00

If it wears you out, don't respond.

I didn’t say it wears me out did I ? I can challenge your bullshit all night.

thepariscrimefiles · 08/03/2025 18:16

llizzie · 08/03/2025 15:41

Please tell me when I said I could understand why he was upset.

In your post of 00.38 you said:

'I see now that I was too kind. You refused to attend the child's meet teacher evening because you didn't think it was worth going, as you were only going to be told what you knew already, that your DD was doing well.

I can see why that would upset her father.'

You can't even keep track of your own hideous posts but then deny saying the things that other posters have challenged you about.