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Is war likely?

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user1492538376 · 04/03/2025 16:28

In the UK in the next few years given world events?

What do people think will happen?

My personal view is that it is likely though of course not inevitable - but there is a path now for Europe to step up - but with the mad orange man who knows what will happen.

OP posts:
1983pacmanchampion · 05/03/2025 07:37

noblegiraffe · 04/03/2025 22:00

By breaking up NATO?

Well what's the point of it? Good for bullying small Balkan states and blowing up Chinese Embassies true, but they don't even do much of that anymore. Article 5 isn't worth the paper it is written on, it just commits members to a response and would probably amount to a strongly worded email from the "h'office of the secretary general". And who is the enemy anyway? Russia, not exactly the Warsaw Pact are they? They have not rolled over Ukraine despite their army being bigger and better equipped and arguably more motivated (professionals vs conscripts). If Putin did* want to take over half of Europe or all of it, he now knows that he can't go toe to toe with even a national army. The French would mop the floor with what is left of the Russian army. So NATO is redundant.

*a fantasy/propaganda position in my opinion and that of plenty of serious commentators

noblegiraffe · 05/03/2025 07:35

Newfoundzestforlife · 05/03/2025 07:10

Maybe you shouldn't call him the "mad orange man".
You wouldn't make fun of another race for their skin colour, you wouldn't dare....so don't be a hypocrite.

You think orange is his actual skin colour?

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 05/03/2025 07:33

I’m in Canada and I’m pretty nervous.

MaggieMistletoe · 05/03/2025 07:32

BurgundyZero · 04/03/2025 23:00

Who wants to cosplay war? This specimen.

Loathsome creature.

Mischance · 05/03/2025 07:26

ShutUpForTheLoveOfGod · 04/03/2025 21:33

The US are trying to stop the bloody war fgs.

I don't think so ...

Floppyflippers · 05/03/2025 07:26

Is that all you have? Keep mentioning his skin colour and calling him mad for not holding your views?

Trump is orange and mental !!! Aren't I witty, ha ha ha.

Of all the things he's done and you go for petty insults.

Grow up.

IcyPenguin101 · 05/03/2025 07:24

TemporaryPosition · 04/03/2025 21:35

Dr David Betz, professor of War studies at King's College London says within 5 years

Isn’t he talking about civil war rather than ww3?

user1492538376 · 05/03/2025 07:23

Livelovebehappy · 04/03/2025 23:22

More likely civil war within the UK than a world war. There’s a palpable unrest and frustration atm in this country, like a bubbling cauldron. If the Government don’t start to get a grip, things will kick off within the next couple of years. That’s what I worry about.

Nah look at the state of the UK now and no one is out protesting. We have become so apathetic.

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Lex345 · 05/03/2025 07:22

It is interesting who gets painted as the good and bad guys, really.

Putin, however baselessly, has claimed the invasion of Ukraine is because of neo nazis in the Ukrainian government persecuting Russians in the Donbas.

US/UK attacked Iraq, however baselessly, claiming they were developing weapons of mass destruction. The difference is the Iraqi forces fell quickly.

No, I do not agree with Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But let's not paint the West as white knights either. The powerful will always act in their own interests at the expense of those who cannot fight back.

Look at the horror show US/UK left in Afghanistan. We abandoned those people to a terrible fate. Especially women.

Notsosure1 · 05/03/2025 07:19

WhateverWillBeWillBloodyWellBe · 05/03/2025 05:35

With all due respect, both Putin and Trump are insane you can’t possibly know if they have a close relationship.

Is that relevant to my main point?

Natsku · 05/03/2025 07:19

InWalksBarberalla · 04/03/2025 23:35

Why do you think Russia want to take over Europe rather than stop NATO expansion? And how exactly do you think Europe would stop them without the US? Angry tweets and cosplaying photo ops do not magically create a powerful military.

Likely outcome is that Russia will get to keep the parts of Ukraine they've already got. And then hopefully NATO (assuming it exists) will stops pushing up against Russia's borders. And the EU can merrily continue to spend billions on a Russian fossil fuels.

Because Putin said so, in his speech about a new Russian Empire. He is obsessed with regaining Russia's former glory.

EasternStandard · 05/03/2025 07:17

I'd say no but more a hopefully not as who can be definite about much.

But I think it's less likely than I did a couple of days ago with ramping up of fight rhetoric.

InWalksBarberalla · 05/03/2025 07:11

Zonder · 05/03/2025 07:00

I don't see Trump diffusing the situation at all. And if by ending the war you mean trampling over a nation state to appease your bully buddy then sure, it's working.

Its super naive though to think the good side will always win. The EU were happy to buddy up with the school yard bully when they were on their side. Now they've made themselves super vulnerable and might need to make some deals that aren't ideal but better than the alternative.

Newfoundzestforlife · 05/03/2025 07:10

Maybe you shouldn't call him the "mad orange man".
You wouldn't make fun of another race for their skin colour, you wouldn't dare....so don't be a hypocrite.

Zonder · 05/03/2025 07:00

Livelovebehappy · 04/03/2025 23:33

Doing a better job than Europe have done. The war in Ukraine has been going on for three years. Europe have spent that time just making sympathetic noises, and thrown money and weapons at the situation. And now Trump has started to try and diffuse the situation, albeit not very well, Europe suddenly start trying to put plans in place to try and resolve. Where have they been the last three years? Trump may not be succeeding in his clumsy attempts, but at least it’s given Europe a kick up their arses.

I don't see Trump diffusing the situation at all. And if by ending the war you mean trampling over a nation state to appease your bully buddy then sure, it's working.

Lex345 · 05/03/2025 06:57

InWalksBarberalla · 05/03/2025 06:50

If they decide to, and Russia backs them -who is going to stop them? Would Europe start a war with their military depleted like it is. Would they launch nukes assuring mutual destruction. Would they send off their youth to die? I can't see the UK pulling young men out of their houses to go fit as their mothers try and fight back. Maybe Europe needs to start cozing up to China.

To be fair, the UK have already started building a closer trade relationship with China

https://news.sky.com/story/the-chancellors-gamble-with-china-what-price-is-rachel-reeves-willing-to-pay-for-closer-trading-ties-13286585

The chancellor's gamble with China: What price is Rachel Reeves willing to pay for closer trading ties?

The UK sticks out diplomatically and economically by refusing to impose extra tariffs on Chinese car companies. In return, Britain is hoping to boost exports of financial services in the coming years.

https://news.sky.com/story/the-chancellors-gamble-with-china-what-price-is-rachel-reeves-willing-to-pay-for-closer-trading-ties-13286585

InWalksBarberalla · 05/03/2025 06:50

Pootlemcsmootle · 05/03/2025 06:10

Thats the danger! A couple of powerful nations with pure authoritarian ambitions, to rule by force and invade other countries (Trump yesterday...he said he'd have Greenland one way or another, for example). That's a huge danger.

If they decide to, and Russia backs them -who is going to stop them? Would Europe start a war with their military depleted like it is. Would they launch nukes assuring mutual destruction. Would they send off their youth to die? I can't see the UK pulling young men out of their houses to go fit as their mothers try and fight back. Maybe Europe needs to start cozing up to China.

TemporaryPosition · 05/03/2025 06:36

MagePaige · 04/03/2025 21:48

He's talking about civil war

I know. The OP asked about War in the UK. This guy thinks so. Why is that not relevant

Lex345 · 05/03/2025 06:35

As much as I am not pro Trump, this strategy of his may just work to bring about some form of peace. All of these public declarations/decisions on Ukraine are aimed at placating/finessing Russia to come to the table. As with any end of war agreement, there will have to be concessions and losses on both sides, unfortunately.

UN vote recently and US voted against a motion to condemn Russia's invasion-this is the first time they have done this and voted with Russia.
This might not seem significant-but the US are courting Russia.

I am not sure that the deal that will eventually brokered between US and Russia will be beneficial for Ukraine, sadly. However, if Russia can be brought onside just enough to have a friendlier relationship with US, we might just see an end to active war in Ukraine, at least for a reasonable period.

The world at a whole is unlikely to ever be fully at peace. The best it seems we can hope for is avoiding global conflict. Very sad really, when 99% of the world's population are probably just like most of us and want to live in peace.

Flippercanorious · 05/03/2025 06:35

JadededViewer · 04/03/2025 23:52

War is never an inevitability but neither can it be dismissed. The tides are shifting, alliances are fraying, and the UK's defense posture is far from certain. If we aren't vigilant, we risk being swept up in events we could have controlled. It's time for leadership that sees the storm coming and acts before it breaks

I agree..but sadly we dont have any real leadership at the moment.

HazelShark · 05/03/2025 06:23

Chiseltip · 05/03/2025 06:16

Who exactly would we be be fighting?

We don't have any armed forces in the UK, not really. Not anymore. We just play toy soldiers and polish the rust on out outdated and obsolete equipment. Not even our soldiers want to fight anymore. The current generation of young people have no desire to sign up to fight for anything.

Oh great more young generation bashing....do you want to go and fight a war?? I am sure theyd be happy for volunteers!

shortoedtreecreeper · 05/03/2025 06:19

Yes I think it's likely.Putin will be eyeing up baltic republics, Moldova will be probably next and then Finland or Sweden.
It might take a while for him as he's building up his war machine further.

Chiseltip · 05/03/2025 06:16

Who exactly would we be be fighting?

We don't have any armed forces in the UK, not really. Not anymore. We just play toy soldiers and polish the rust on out outdated and obsolete equipment. Not even our soldiers want to fight anymore. The current generation of young people have no desire to sign up to fight for anything.

Pootlemcsmootle · 05/03/2025 06:10

InWalksBarberalla · 04/03/2025 21:41

It's looking likely that a US and Russia alliance is being formed. You'd think that would stop WW3 because who'd be crazy enough to take that on.

Thats the danger! A couple of powerful nations with pure authoritarian ambitions, to rule by force and invade other countries (Trump yesterday...he said he'd have Greenland one way or another, for example). That's a huge danger.

Crazyhousewife23 · 05/03/2025 06:01

No wars. However we will end up with many riots due to the current muppet. The country will only be pushed so long before they decide to take action and I predict even starmer won’t be able to contain what is yet to come.