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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 12:14

PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 12:06

It won't help. Trump isn't leading. He's the front man for the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Steve Bannon, Russ Vought, etc, are there behind him depth. Vance is their pick.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought

I read this first as ‘Vance is their prick’.

Isn’t he just.

ohreallyIsee · 04/03/2025 12:14

people just don't get tariffs, that imposing them will increase prices, they seem to think that manufacturers and producers will just swallow the cost

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 12:13

I have been crying all morning. Just WHY?

🇺🇦💪🥰

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 12:12

JoyousEagle · 04/03/2025 12:04

So we end up with Vance instead? Great.

I've just seen an interview where he said "the Europeans need to start telling zelensky the killing and bloodshed must end". No mention of Putin of course.

Yes, they’d have to take Vance out as well, and no doubt others. Maybe in some sort of scandal. But then who would take the reins?

valder · 04/03/2025 12:12

I as an individual can't do much. But I will not visit America, and I hope that sense prevails amongst those who have some brains and integrity in America, even on the Supreme Court benches. There must be some surely over there who can fight back by democratic means in the Congress and Senate?

Will the mid terms help if they return a majority of Dems? Sorry I'm not up to speed on the way it works over there but I live in hope.

There might be a Revolution or another Civil War over there in the end.

TheNoonBell · 04/03/2025 12:11

After the amount of hatred levelled at Trump over the last months I'm not surprised he has decided not to play the game any more.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 12:08

As a PP rightly says, I can be horrified without being entirely surprised.

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MissyB1 · 04/03/2025 12:06

I think we and the rest of Europe need to (sadly) start regarding America as an enemy. Who would have thought we would see the day....😥

JoyousEagle · 04/03/2025 12:06

Chypre · 04/03/2025 12:01

@cardibach well. They have Constitution, they have guns (not a fan of). But, they might put the two together eventually. Whatever he does now, on a broader scale with tariffs (which will make things more expensive NOT for China, but for the average Joe), layoffs, warming up towards russia, is not republican, is not democratic, and it WILL come bite him in the ass. There was impeachment attempt already, there were trials - and people who initiated this are still there.

I saw a hilarious thread on threads where someone was absolutely insistent that Canada would be paying the price of the tariffs and under no circumstances would it be put onto the price American buyers would pay. She was indignant at the thought that Canadian exporters might pass this on. Because that's not what Trump said would happen!9

Itisbetter · 04/03/2025 12:06

It’s time the world shunned the US their behaviour is disgusting. Maybe China will save us.

Whatafustercluck · 04/03/2025 12:06

Horrified? Yes. Surprised? No. Not in the slightest.

The next step will be the US relinquishing sanctions on Russia.

I know you shouldn't wish death on anyone, including your enemies. But now would be a really good time for a 'carbon monoxide poisoning' at the White House, with Putin in attendance to 'negotiate' his peace deal.

PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 12:06

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:58

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll be looking at another grassy knoll scenario, if he keeps this up.

Unless the Russians have nobbled all the security services too.

It won't help. Trump isn't leading. He's the front man for the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Steve Bannon, Russ Vought, etc, are there behind him depth. Vance is their pick.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Vought

Project 2025 - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

Stowickthevast · 04/03/2025 12:05

YABU to be horrified. It was obvious after last week's ambush on Zekensky that he was planning this all along with his puppet master Putin.

Awful that people like Mario Rubio are supporting it though. He was a strong advocate for Ukraine previously.

JoyousEagle · 04/03/2025 12:04

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:58

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll be looking at another grassy knoll scenario, if he keeps this up.

Unless the Russians have nobbled all the security services too.

So we end up with Vance instead? Great.

I've just seen an interview where he said "the Europeans need to start telling zelensky the killing and bloodshed must end". No mention of Putin of course.

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 12:02

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:49

It’s been obvious that all Trump’s moves have been to further the interests of Russia for years.

The baffler is why the American electorate didn’t see it.

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Personally, I think core Trump voters are generally as thick as shit. They wouldn't see it, and probably wouldn't care.

There must be other floating voters though who were taken in by his bullshit and are regretting their choice now that reality is starting to set in. There must be! Surely! Please tell me they don't all support this arsewipe unquestioningly!!! ☹️

Chypre · 04/03/2025 12:01

@cardibach well. They have Constitution, they have guns (not a fan of). But, they might put the two together eventually. Whatever he does now, on a broader scale with tariffs (which will make things more expensive NOT for China, but for the average Joe), layoffs, warming up towards russia, is not republican, is not democratic, and it WILL come bite him in the ass. There was impeachment attempt already, there were trials - and people who initiated this are still there.

SnoopysHoose · 04/03/2025 12:01

foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/
He's been in Russian pockets for a long time.

endofthelinefinally · 04/03/2025 12:00

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 11:49

For me it’s not just terminating aid it’s the fact he ordered aid nearly at the border to Ukraine to turn back. That’s fucking malicious, and nothing to do with money saving. He’s a despicable piece of shit.

This. He is an absolute psychopath.

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:58

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll be looking at another grassy knoll scenario, if he keeps this up.

Unless the Russians have nobbled all the security services too.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:58

Inmydreams88 · 04/03/2025 11:52

I’m so scared for our future.

It IS scary but I'm so glad Europe is standing firm and recognising that appeasing Putin is NOT the way to secure the safety of Ukraine and wider Europe.

We need to be able to defend ourselves without relying on the US. I know not all Americans think like Trump but he is the one in power for the next four years and he has made it clear that he thinks we're all too far away to care about.

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cardibach · 04/03/2025 11:56

Technically no, he can’t cancel aid approved by congress. He has though. Actually stopped it, not said he’s going to. And what can anybody do?

randomchap · 04/03/2025 11:55

Chypre · 04/03/2025 11:53

Something tells me that whatever Trump does (or tries to do) is just showing off for the press. Surely things like that have to be put through congress/senate/whatever first? In a democratic manner? He can't singlehandedly "order" things?

Iirc, executive orders can be challenged in the courts but that takes time and money.

He's also stacked the supreme court with republican stooges.

Not looking hopeful at all

Chypre · 04/03/2025 11:53

Something tells me that whatever Trump does (or tries to do) is just showing off for the press. Surely things like that have to be put through congress/senate/whatever first? In a democratic manner? He can't singlehandedly "order" things?

Inmydreams88 · 04/03/2025 11:52

I’m so scared for our future.

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 11:49

For me it’s not just terminating aid it’s the fact he ordered aid nearly at the border to Ukraine to turn back. That’s fucking malicious, and nothing to do with money saving. He’s a despicable piece of shit.