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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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nuned · 04/03/2025 12:24

Do we actually want a full on war with Russia ?

We are going to get nuked.

I for one, don't want a war. I'm not willing to die for Ukraine.

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 04/03/2025 12:24

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:49

It’s been obvious that all Trump’s moves have been to further the interests of Russia for years.

The baffler is why the American electorate didn’t see it.

Edited

Ex-puritans who thought CofE was too fripperous, and potato farmers whose crops had fallen foul of blight, and whose English landlords had ignored, 'settled' America.
(I am aware that native people's were there first, but they, like the Aborigines, have been marginalised, othered, and sent away from mainstream life)
Their descendants voted for Trump. That would be ok, if only those in the US suffered. Sadly, this collective insanity that caused trump to become president, affects the whole world.

Americano75 · 04/03/2025 12:24

Mad bastard picked a fight with Zelensky so he'd have an excuse to do this. Rat.

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 12:24

ssd · 04/03/2025 12:23

Same reason the english voted for brexit

Exactly.

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 12:23

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 12:20

To me these voters are like our 'thick as shit' ones who voted for Brexit.

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Exactly. I was a remainer but I do know a few Brexshit voters who are disillusioned with it and would vote differently now.

ssd · 04/03/2025 12:23

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:49

It’s been obvious that all Trump’s moves have been to further the interests of Russia for years.

The baffler is why the American electorate didn’t see it.

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Same reason the english voted for brexit

BigSilly · 04/03/2025 12:22

I wonder what Joe is thinking at this moment in time........

BigSilly · 04/03/2025 12:21

ForRealwhen · 04/03/2025 12:14

Not sure Trump & co. will be happy to vacate their seat after four years .... I think they're here to stay ...

Vance will be next and hw many Trump kids are there.....?

Yalta · 04/03/2025 12:21

LifeExperience · 04/03/2025 11:32

Time for Europe to step up. It will take years, thousands of boots on the ground and billions of pounds/euros to conduct a land war with Russia.

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Or just take one man out of the equation

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 12:21

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 12:17

Vance as POTUS will be no better, probably worse if that's possible.

He doesn’t have anywhere near the popular following that Trump does, so I’m not sure he’d last long. I expect he’d be taken out of the equation along with Trump, though.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 12:21

itsjustbiology · 04/03/2025 12:15

I am sorry but I have never in my 50 pus years on this earth read so much crap and seen so many hysterical posts as on this thread. its bloody ridiculous.where on earth are you getting your bizarre ideas from?
President Trump is posturing and making a very valid point to the world,us included,cannot you see that?He is taking a stand and a valid one at that that America is not the saviour of the world especially financially.Why do you all expect that country to finance everything? America owes no country anything, and why should the President and citizens of America be subject to such disrespect? Aid has temporarily been suspended. This is to force the hand of the little man running round the world with his hands out in his action man clothes demanding every other country finance his every whim whilst billions of pounds has gone "missing". Nobody,not one single country,us,France,anyone can go into this with alleged peacekeepers or boots on the ground without America no one, you should remember that.No American backing No dice and no one can move and no peace. Whilst our Pm is rallying leaders of nations no one has the money.weapons or troops to move an inch without America. Trump is forcing the hand of Zalensky to negociate. As for being a russian plant well ffs grow up.This war will be stopped round a table not on the battlefield as zalensky would like glorified by dead soldiers on the ground. I would step back,calm down and have a chill about which scenario would play out the best for everyone.

"Hysterical" is a misogynistic term to use for women discussing politics. No-one is asking America to fund "everything" but they are part of NATO and NATO countries are under threat also if Ukraine isn't defended.

Also, the UK backed up the US in the Iraq war, so yes, they do "owe" us.

Please provide links for "billions of pounds going missing".

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RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 12:20

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 12:02

Personally, I think core Trump voters are generally as thick as shit. They wouldn't see it, and probably wouldn't care.

There must be other floating voters though who were taken in by his bullshit and are regretting their choice now that reality is starting to set in. There must be! Surely! Please tell me they don't all support this arsewipe unquestioningly!!! ☹️

To me these voters are like our 'thick as shit' ones who voted for Brexit.

cardibach · 04/03/2025 12:20

TheNoonBell · 04/03/2025 12:11

After the amount of hatred levelled at Trump over the last months I'm not surprised he has decided not to play the game any more.

Cause and effect. You can’t behave hatefully and not expect to be hated. Look at his words and actions even before his re-election. He is the reason he’s hated. You can’t blame people who hate him.

528htz · 04/03/2025 12:18

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 12:13

I have been crying all morning. Just WHY?

🇺🇦💪🥰

Because evil always triumphs. It always has and it always will. All we get are brief periods of respite until the next atrocity surfaces. It's sickening. To suddenly be facing a major enemy to the left and right of us is sobering. My heart goes out to the Ukrainians and their beautiful country.

Ablondiebutagoody · 04/03/2025 12:18

It's shit for Ukraine but Europe/Nato have been taking the piss regarding defence spending for decades. We prefer to pump money into welfare.

Europe should have seen this coming. Trump was moaning about it during his first term. I mean look at Trudeau, talking all supportively whilst simultaneously running down defence spending to 1.4% GDP. It's pitiful. Time for others to step up and stop telling the US what they should spend their taxpayers money on whilst refusing to do the same.

friendlycat · 04/03/2025 12:18

SnoopysHoose · 04/03/2025 12:01

This. Russia has supported his business endeavours for a long time.

cardibach · 04/03/2025 12:17

Chypre · 04/03/2025 12:01

@cardibach well. They have Constitution, they have guns (not a fan of). But, they might put the two together eventually. Whatever he does now, on a broader scale with tariffs (which will make things more expensive NOT for China, but for the average Joe), layoffs, warming up towards russia, is not republican, is not democratic, and it WILL come bite him in the ass. There was impeachment attempt already, there were trials - and people who initiated this are still there.

Yes. Amazes me that all the ‘right to guns to defend ourselves’ people seem to have forgotten what the second amendment is for. Sadly I think the open carry nuts are all on his side.

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 12:17

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:58

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll be looking at another grassy knoll scenario, if he keeps this up.

Unless the Russians have nobbled all the security services too.

Vance as POTUS will be no better, probably worse if that's possible.

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 12:17

I'm not surprised at all. It is scary and horrifying though.

Trump is definitely Putin's lapdog.

The only sliver of light that I can see is that as this is Trump's second term then it has to be his final one. Unless he tries to repeal the two terms only constitution amendment, and I wouldn't put it past him to try.

Even so, Vance could well decide to run for president at the next election. Then we would be in danger of having an even worse thick as shit cunt in the White House.

The world is currently a worrying place.

LifeExperience · 04/03/2025 12:17

Chypre · 04/03/2025 11:53

Something tells me that whatever Trump does (or tries to do) is just showing off for the press. Surely things like that have to be put through congress/senate/whatever first? In a democratic manner? He can't singlehandedly "order" things?

Usually funds appropriated by Congress must be spent, but Biden withheld appropriated funds from Israel, setting a precedent that the courts will likely follow when the lawsuits start flying.

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 12:17

itsjustbiology · 04/03/2025 12:15

I am sorry but I have never in my 50 pus years on this earth read so much crap and seen so many hysterical posts as on this thread. its bloody ridiculous.where on earth are you getting your bizarre ideas from?
President Trump is posturing and making a very valid point to the world,us included,cannot you see that?He is taking a stand and a valid one at that that America is not the saviour of the world especially financially.Why do you all expect that country to finance everything? America owes no country anything, and why should the President and citizens of America be subject to such disrespect? Aid has temporarily been suspended. This is to force the hand of the little man running round the world with his hands out in his action man clothes demanding every other country finance his every whim whilst billions of pounds has gone "missing". Nobody,not one single country,us,France,anyone can go into this with alleged peacekeepers or boots on the ground without America no one, you should remember that.No American backing No dice and no one can move and no peace. Whilst our Pm is rallying leaders of nations no one has the money.weapons or troops to move an inch without America. Trump is forcing the hand of Zalensky to negociate. As for being a russian plant well ffs grow up.This war will be stopped round a table not on the battlefield as zalensky would like glorified by dead soldiers on the ground. I would step back,calm down and have a chill about which scenario would play out the best for everyone.

You don’t think the US owes the other NATO states for us all stepping up and coming in with them in their war on terror, following 9/11?

itsjustbiology · 04/03/2025 12:15

I am sorry but I have never in my 50 pus years on this earth read so much crap and seen so many hysterical posts as on this thread. its bloody ridiculous.where on earth are you getting your bizarre ideas from?
President Trump is posturing and making a very valid point to the world,us included,cannot you see that?He is taking a stand and a valid one at that that America is not the saviour of the world especially financially.Why do you all expect that country to finance everything? America owes no country anything, and why should the President and citizens of America be subject to such disrespect? Aid has temporarily been suspended. This is to force the hand of the little man running round the world with his hands out in his action man clothes demanding every other country finance his every whim whilst billions of pounds has gone "missing". Nobody,not one single country,us,France,anyone can go into this with alleged peacekeepers or boots on the ground without America no one, you should remember that.No American backing No dice and no one can move and no peace. Whilst our Pm is rallying leaders of nations no one has the money.weapons or troops to move an inch without America. Trump is forcing the hand of Zalensky to negociate. As for being a russian plant well ffs grow up.This war will be stopped round a table not on the battlefield as zalensky would like glorified by dead soldiers on the ground. I would step back,calm down and have a chill about which scenario would play out the best for everyone.

BeardofHagrid · 04/03/2025 12:15

The Spring Offensive will begin in the next few days so don’t worry guys. We got this 🇺🇦💪🥰

RareMaker · 04/03/2025 12:15

Stickytreacle · 04/03/2025 11:29

I genuinely think he's a Russian asset, I think it's worrying that we share so much intelligence with the U.S. We are on the brink of the possibility of a very different world in future, militarily, financially and morally. I just hope Europe pulls together and stays strong.

I really think this too.

ForRealwhen · 04/03/2025 12:14

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:58

It IS scary but I'm so glad Europe is standing firm and recognising that appeasing Putin is NOT the way to secure the safety of Ukraine and wider Europe.

We need to be able to defend ourselves without relying on the US. I know not all Americans think like Trump but he is the one in power for the next four years and he has made it clear that he thinks we're all too far away to care about.

Not sure Trump & co. will be happy to vacate their seat after four years .... I think they're here to stay ...