AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

The Americans have convinced themselves that they rule the world and unfortunately are swallowing all of Trump’s garbage.
What they need to be considering is Trump’s treatment of China, the US are insignificant in terms of firepower compared to China, he could well be leading them into a fight that they definitely wouldn’t win.

Of course he will negotiate! He wants a lasting peace though, do you really think that's so unreasonable?

Trump has regurgitated every Putin talking point - Zelensky is a dictator and should hold elections, Ukraine caused the war etc. He may as well have been reading from a Kremlin prepared script

Putin and Trump are working for a common aim. US financially benefits 5x the aid they've provided. Russia gets land and the opportunity to rearm whilst interfering in any future Ukraine election.

Why would anyone rely upon the US now?

@Jade520

The most recent TI index suggests that Ukraine has made some strides since then, but it still ranks 104th among 180 countries. Denmark is ranked first—meaning that it is perceived as cleanest—while Russia ranks 141st.'

Well you have to choose your priorities. At this rate, if the rest of Ukraine is invaded by Russia it will go down from being 104th out of 180 countries to 141. And a cluster of other East European countries and Poland will be next in line for Russia's special operations.

I suppose that's a good outcome in your book?

In some ways even Elon would be better 😂

I don’t think it’s that they don’t care, I think most of them are blissfully unaware of what’s happening.

I don't think anyone is saying it's Zelensky pocketing it all but Ukraine has had huge problems with corruption and although they are really moving forwards they are still way down the table.

'According to the most widely cited source—the annual ranking of corruption by Transparency International (TI)—Ukraine has scored poorly for decades. As late as 2016, amid major anti-corruption reforms, TI’s survey still judged Ukraine to be as corrupt as Russia. The most recent TI index suggests that Ukraine has made some strides since then, but it still ranks 104th among 180 countries. Denmark is ranked first—meaning that it is perceived as cleanest—while Russia ranks 141st.'

'Last year, Ukrainian authorities opened a criminal case against Dmytro Firtash, an oligarch also wanted in the United States for corruption, alleging that his group embezzled $484 million from the Ukrainian state treasury in a scheme involving gas transit fees.'

I'm not pro Trump by any means though, voting in a narcissistic megalomaniac is never a clever move in my book. That doesn't mean though that we should pretend Ukraine is squeaky clean.

foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/

All of this.

It is sad - and scary - to see that the vast majority of Americans don't seem to care. No mass demonstrations against Trump essentially proposing to capitulate to Putin and leave the frontline of the free world in deep shit.

It's not a negotiation when Trump has already handed Ukraine to Russia.

You mean Ukraine should negotiate with the Russia that already waltzed into Crimea and took it? That they should have more? And what would stop them going for another bite of the cherry after that? Or looking next to Poland? Or Slovakia? Or Finland? Or half of bloody Europe.

No.

It is so disrespectful of those who died and their families. Utterly reprehensible.

Vance is an absolute turd.

And Afghanistan.

Ukraine got rid of it's nuclear arsenal after the breakup of the Soviet Union. They did so only after being assured that Russia, US and UK would guarantee their security in the Budapest Memorandum.

After Trump's monumental fuck-up this weekend, no country will ever agree to relinquish their weapons again, nuclear or otherwise.

The security that we relied on and the world as we know it has changed, almost overnight and Nato is already dead in the water.

It would be comforting to think that Trump, Musk and Vance are an aberation, that could be overthrown, yet they received backing and approval from a supine Republican party and a voting stupidity majority of US citizens. Dark times indeed.

No im not, you can’t keep pouring money down a black hole if the countries leaders aren’t prepared to negotiate.

That’s an interesting take, the US don’t actually rule the world you know, whatever that hideous orange moron thinks.
You seem to be completely ignorant of Putin’s hand in all this, there is credible evidence of Russian interference in the US 2016 election and the Brexit referendum in the UK, and you believe the best scenario would be to allow him and Trump to call the shots, because they don’t have ANY ulterior motives at all do they? 🤦‍♀️
You also underestimate how much Trump is goading China, you ignore them at your peril.

“Random countries”

”Not fought a war in years”.

Yeah so British supporters of MAGA - what say you?

LOL!

Absolute loony toons.

”Hate” from where exactly.

Vance also dismissed Starmer's and Macron's efforts as " peacekeeping assistance from "some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years". Although he later tried to deny he didn't mean these countries.

This has sparked some passionate responses from London. Really disrepectful of countries whose soldiers fought and died alongside the US in wars they started.

Really apprehensive about where all this is headed.

JD Vance trashes Starmer and Macron’s Ukraine peacekeeping plan – POLITICO

Your having a laugh.
We sold our steelworks to China and they closed them down.

How do we make weapons to defend ourselves.

I don't mean to be a gloom munger but the UK isn't exactly in a strong position to defend itself.

Useless info after WW1 was finished the forestry commission was set up as the UK almost ran out of wood.

We import so much stuff, including essentials like clothing and food, an international war would be a disaster for the UK.

…. and Ukraine

Yes, and what about the fact that he's put a pause on ALL aid and Starmer has tried to copy up to him by cutting aid by 40 percent himself. Thousands of people will die as a result of Starmer costing up to Trump.

It was completely unsurprising.

M.A.G.A

Moscow Agent Governing America.

But it also shows we do not keep our promises. When Ukraine agreed to demilitarise in terms of its nuclear capability they were assured “we” (including the USA and UK) would come to their aid in case of Russian aggression.

So I guess that was an empty promise and other countries should take note.

So am I. I'm a pacifist at heart, but this is different. Europe - and I am including the UK, as I always have... - must stand firm. It doesn't bear thinking about what will happen if we were to fall in with those lunatics, Trump and Vance, who seem determined to appease Putin

Agree, I think it was planned! This is very worrying

I have relatives in Ukraine (mum's cousins, their (grown-up) children. I'm even more terrified for them than I already was.

My granddad passed away a few weeks after Ukraine's 1991 independence referendum. I'm so glad he's not around to see what's happening to his country now!