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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:04

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 13:57

I don't think many young people know that we had to pay America back for their support in WW2. $3.75 billion that was only finally paid off in 2006.

It’s in the GCSE textbook

JHound · 04/03/2025 14:04

EasternEcho · 04/03/2025 12:51

Vance also dismissed Starmer's and Macron's efforts as " peacekeeping assistance from "some random country that hasn't fought a war in 30 or 40 years". Although he later tried to deny he didn't mean these countries.

This has sparked some passionate responses from London. Really disrepectful of countries whose soldiers fought and died alongside the US in wars they started.

Really apprehensive about where all this is headed.

JD Vance trashes Starmer and Macron’s Ukraine peacekeeping plan – POLITICO

He absolutely meant it.

But like the rest of the MAGA leadership he is inept and ignorant. So he genuinely was not aware of European support during the US’s “War Against Terror”.

PebbleJus · 04/03/2025 14:03

AnonymousBleep
He doesn't care about losing men in war

I listened to a fascinating documentary on BBC Sounds this morning (Assignment: Russia’s new war elite) about the large sums of money given to men who sign up for Russia’s ‘special operation’ in Ukraine and their families in the event of their death. It’s had a number of interesting unintended consequences but the main point for this discussion is that they have lots of money for recruitment of replacement soldiers.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 14:03

Whatsinanamehey · 04/03/2025 13:50

I must have missed these threats, what are these two threats he made?

I must have missed them too.

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AnonymousBleep · 04/03/2025 14:03

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 13:46

You make a lot of mind-reading assumptions. Trump capitulated… really?

Does any world leader, other than Mr Z, really want THEIR own troops on the ground in Ukraine.

I will mind read it for you … NO. Not one European country wants their citizens dead in Ukraine.

Yes, he's capitulated. He's giving Putin what Putin wants. It's not a 'peace' deal (as the last thing it will lead to is peace) it's a 'surrender' deal.

European leaders know their own countries will end up fighting Putin if this surrender deal happens. It's looking almost inevitable now, unfortunately.

Sparklfairy · 04/03/2025 14:03

TheNoonBell · 04/03/2025 13:48

You might not be aware that the US under Obama in 2013 effectively ended the Budapest Memorandum when it sanctioned Belarus and when confronted declared that the BM was not legally binding.

Don't suggest it's somehow null and void because that's not the case at all. The Belarus complaints about sanctions did expose the power dynamic when it was drawn up at the time, and how it was exploited. Semantics between 'assurances' vs 'guarantees' but the 'spirit' of that agreement was known, understood, and has been upheld in the interests of diplomatic relations.

When Russia breached the memorandum, the other three stepped in with sanctions citing it directly. The US dancing around the wording when it suits them does not detract from the significant weight of the original agreement.

user9876543211 · 04/03/2025 14:03

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:49

It’s been obvious that all Trump’s moves have been to further the interests of Russia for years.

The baffler is why the American electorate didn’t see it.

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Take a look at the people here who say, Actually, Reform has some valid points, and you'll see the first seedlings of how it happens. Well, second seedlings. Brexit, I guess was the first.

That said, it's an absolute disgrace and I hope Europe can hold together. It would take very few Republican congress members in the US to put a stop to the Trump agenda. What a shame they have no spines.

Oh, and Trump and Vance are equal cunts.

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 14:02

We're going to have to pull our socks up now in Europe and work together on our own plan excluding the money that previously came from the USA.

Magic3forvever · 04/03/2025 14:01

Assuming most people here are British , I just can’t get over the self righteousness I’ve read on mn re the British army !!
I am one of your former colonies . The British empire like the US, like Russia has been a war-mongering nation. One of the key reasons why Palestine is in the state it is now; look what Britain did originally there , literally gifting it away!
Look at how many countries in Africa have been messed up by British colonialism. I know many people are very well meaning on these threads but the comments of pride about wars fought by Britain when often your country was also an aggressor !!!
Europe has been weakened by this way and particularly the disaster of Brexit , I genuinely wish the uk could just join again to demonstrate a stronger and united Europe.

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/03/2025 14:01

Shitmonger · 04/03/2025 13:43

It’s not surprising. After Zelenskyy directly threatened the US twice during the meeting, which immediately turned the tone and got him shut down by Trump and Vance, I was expecting this.

Zelenskyy’s threats seem to have made a lot of Americans change their minds about supporting him as well.

Are you deliberately lying and spreading misinformation or did you make a big mistake?

Patterncarmen · 04/03/2025 14:00

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 13:27

That's because many Americans can't see beyond their own borders. When I lived there the big surprise was finding out how few own passports. We may think we see lots of American tourists here but in fact they don't all travel that much, even within their own country.

About 48 percent of Americans have passports, so not the majority, but not a tiny amount.

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 14:00

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 13:58

I know. I paid towards that for 34 years of my working life. I wasn’t even born when it ended.

Neither was I! It was agreed in 1946.

Patterncarmen · 04/03/2025 14:00

Whatafustercluck · 04/03/2025 13:40

Funnily enough, I just spoke to an American friend who is in the process of applying to get her British passport back (she was born in the UK and left when she was 16, her parents are American). She now has three children and is applying for British passports for them, too "just in case". She said even aside from the havoc Trump is causing internationally, not an hour goes by without another news alert telling her he's done something domestically that is horrific, or illegal, or both.

I have a number of friends trying to get out of the USA at the moment, asking me how I received UK citizenship. Substack has a number of independent business making decent money on advising Americans how to emigrate to Mexico, Canada, Belize, etc.

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 13:58

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 13:57

I don't think many young people know that we had to pay America back for their support in WW2. $3.75 billion that was only finally paid off in 2006.

I know. I paid towards that for 34 years of my working life. I wasn’t even born when it ended.

Petuniaspetal · 04/03/2025 13:57

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 13:55

Plenty more coming up behind him, unfortunately.

...or horrifyingly if he drops off before the end of this tenure... its Vance. (Shudder)

By the way first moves have been started to go for 3rd term.

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 13:57

I don't think many young people know that we had to pay America back for their support in WW2. $3.75 billion that was only finally paid off in 2006.

GoldfinchFeather · 04/03/2025 13:56

Vance is the stereotypical American embarassment. Loudmouthed, bloviating grossly misinformed idiot who thinks he's right because of something he's seen on the internet, rather than actually being there to see it in person.

How nice it would be to see someone - ANYONE - stand up to him and call him out on his shit.

Patterncarmen · 04/03/2025 13:55

Chypre · 04/03/2025 12:01

@cardibach well. They have Constitution, they have guns (not a fan of). But, they might put the two together eventually. Whatever he does now, on a broader scale with tariffs (which will make things more expensive NOT for China, but for the average Joe), layoffs, warming up towards russia, is not republican, is not democratic, and it WILL come bite him in the ass. There was impeachment attempt already, there were trials - and people who initiated this are still there.

The stock market is already down due to Trump's tariffs. I suspect when the average American sees their lifestyle impacted, things might change. Problem is, that's a bit in the future, and it may be too late. Judges are holding the line against Trump's executive orders, but there may be a way to impeach them.

I'm American, dual citizen with UK, live in the UK. I'm appalled at Trump.

The Guardian reports that roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population did not vote in the election. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris. A number of former Trump and Biden voters said they had not voted in this election as they disliked both candidates.

And so here we are.

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 13:55

kungfoofighting · 04/03/2025 13:52

At least we know he will die eventually. Isn’t he late 70s? How long can he possibly hold onto the post for?

Plenty more coming up behind him, unfortunately.

JaninaDuszejko · 04/03/2025 13:53

On the corruption index it's worth comparing other countries.

Ukraine is 105.
That makes it better than Türkiye or Nepal (107), Peru (127), Pakistan (135) Mexico and Nigeria (140, so comparable to Russia).

Tabitha005 · 04/03/2025 13:53

Terrribletwos · 04/03/2025 13:44

How did he directly threaten the US?

Zelensky didn't threaten the US and everyone knows it. Wilful ignorance is the lesser of two evils when it comes to Trump and his ilk (the other, bigger evil being Trump's incapability of having the same opinion on anything twice, as we've seen in spades since he took office again). He makes shit up constantly and, when called to account, spouts utter crap by way of obfuscation. He's a dangerous idiot who thinks he's untouchable... which, by rote of being in Putin's pocket, he probably is.

As for the rest of the world being in thrall to the 'protection' of the US.... we've all seen the state of the US when it comes to mass opioid addiction driven by the greed of big pharma, repeal of access to safe reproductive healthcare for women, gun crime and school shootings. I wouldn't trust the US to 'protect' jack shit!

kungfoofighting · 04/03/2025 13:52

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 12:17

I'm not surprised at all. It is scary and horrifying though.

Trump is definitely Putin's lapdog.

The only sliver of light that I can see is that as this is Trump's second term then it has to be his final one. Unless he tries to repeal the two terms only constitution amendment, and I wouldn't put it past him to try.

Even so, Vance could well decide to run for president at the next election. Then we would be in danger of having an even worse thick as shit cunt in the White House.

The world is currently a worrying place.

At least we know he will die eventually. Isn’t he late 70s? How long can he possibly hold onto the post for?

EasternStandard · 04/03/2025 13:51

Does any world leader, other than Mr Z, really want THEIR own troops on the ground in Ukraine.

I will mind read it for you … NO. Not one European country wants their citizens dead in Ukraine.

So far no. All European leaders have said peacekeeping troops and only with US doing the back up, combat troops part.

Whatsinanamehey · 04/03/2025 13:50

Shitmonger · 04/03/2025 13:43

It’s not surprising. After Zelenskyy directly threatened the US twice during the meeting, which immediately turned the tone and got him shut down by Trump and Vance, I was expecting this.

Zelenskyy’s threats seem to have made a lot of Americans change their minds about supporting him as well.

I must have missed these threats, what are these two threats he made?

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