AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

Yup. Where's Luigi Mangione when the world really needs him?

Oh don't be silly. That meeting was a set-up designed to humiliate Zelenskyy. Pet journalists invited to ask the 'right' questions to embarass him, Vance bleating on about how Zelenskyy hadn't thanked the US for their over-inflated loans (which he has, countless times). It was cringeworthy to watch the POTUS and his weird little sidekick acting like bullies in the school playground. It's obvious that Trump always intended to pull military aid, and he wants Zelenskyy to resign because that will further destabilise Ukraine and make it easy for Putin to carry on his invasion. Which he will - why wouldn't he? The Russian economy currently depends on winning this war and expanding their territory.

And the Democrats don't seem to have started looking for a new, intelligent, younger leader yet

Wales voted in favour. Try sneering accurately.

It's a long time since my kids were at school, so thanks for this.

Well presidents have been assassinated for less. We live in hope.

There will be no “US security”. Trump’s made that crystal clear, we all woke up to it this morning. There are some very stark choices to be made now.

I wonder how much the USA paid back to the UK for sending troops to support them in Aghanistan post 9/11? I'd imagine it's a big fat nothing. Yet they bleat on as if the rest of the world is constantly ripping them off.

They'll see it when all DOGE's 'efficiencies' directly affect them

Very apt username you have there, do you get paid to peddle lies?

Well deserved hatred

When will the US wake up to the fact that he's trampling over their laws and constitution?

We will never know what outcome diplomacy would have yielded. Mr Z bailed out before any real options presented. We just don’t know what could have been.

As the man said…. Mr Z didn’t have the cards last week, he has less cards now.

I didn't say 'a tiny amount'.

European leaders know their own countries will end up fighting Putin if this surrender deal happens. It's looking almost inevitable now, unfortunately.

@AnonymousBleep those European leaders are still talking about US security before this happens.

Hilary Clinton has been very vocal about putin and his ambitions and how trump is his "puppet" ( putin hates Hilary because she could predict his every move),

@BIossomtoes what then ? I mean genuinely what do people think could work ?

The current VP is more vocal and visible than any other VP that I can remember. That's deliberate obviously, bad cop, bad cop. The demonic duo.

I have hopes, however risible they may seem at the moment, that cool and intelligent, moral and incorruptible heads will prevail in Congress/Senate and the courts.

The mid terms will prove me right or wrong, and you know which one most people want. A lot can happen between then and now though, and that's very worrying.

Is there any mechanism (other than assassination) to get rid of a President. Not that I know of anyway.

Not sure what you mean? The European leaders literally are meeting to work out how to de-escalate this without a) war with Russia and b) capitulating to Russia so that we end up with them absorbing more Europea countries, with or without a fight. If there was an obvious silver bullet, we'd know about it.

Trump stands with Putin, that much is clear.

@JazzyJelly I have on numerous threads on here , almost as though your troops are something to be revered, whereas in many many other countries your army was the invading force . “ Divide and conquer “ …

You do know that 70% of foreign aid to Ukraine goes straight back into the US economy, right? We ship them old arms and military equipment that we were going to pay to destroy and then build replacements. That's what makes up the majority of the spend.

Seriously, I don’t think agreement is possible. The only thing Putin will accept is capitulation and that’s not going to happen.

J D Vance worries me more than Trump if such a thing is possible. He is what we will get when/if Trump does not complete his full term in office. Given that Trump is elderly, clearly does not look after himself and appears to have some cognitive issues there is a possibility that he will not see out the four years. If this is the case Vance will take over, decades younger and in my opinion even more dangerous. His recent remarks about the "random country" who has not fought in a war for 30=40 years are not just ignorant and insulting but also show what a truly nasty individual he is

There's an awful lot of Russian bots Trump apologists on MN today, it seems.

Also what is the alternative , have an all out war with Russia ? Both putin and trump want Europe weakened and it’s working so he isn’t going to engage with European leaders , what are pp suggestions of what they can do to deescalate and get an agreement?

I've not seen anyone speaking proudly about the British Empire, or British troops colonising other countries.

But I agree about Brexit.