Page 31 | AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 2025-03-04T11:20:14+00:00

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine. At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision: [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post]] [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post]] [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post]]

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 14:33

BMW6 · 04/03/2025 14:27

If that's what you saw you better go to Specsavers 😂

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Excellent. They also do hearing tests in case Bleeker is stuffing her fingers in her ears too.

JHound · 04/03/2025 14:32

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:18

The Americans & passports comparison is always pathetic.
Americans can ski, lie on a beach and everything in between with a driving lisc for ID. Why ski in Alps when you have Rockies closer & cheaper. Why go to Riviera when you have much better & cleaner beaches on both coasts.

It’s simple economics.

Do majority of Brits /Europeans travel in Europe for the cultural experiences? They have passports because they need one to leave!!.

It’s just some silly snobbish thing to say “even my grandparents have passport, most Americans don’t!” That’s because your grandparents need/needed a passport to go to Malaga …. American grandparents don’t need one for Florida!

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Florida is still in the USA. There is a different experience in going to visit a foreign nation.

I am sure Australians have a high proportion of passport ownership and spend time visiting foreign nations despite living on a diverse continent of their own.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/03/2025 14:31

Zebedee999 · 04/03/2025 14:29

The USA is $36trillion in debt. A nation of 300million has been funding European defence (600million people) for too long. Time the European's paid for their own defence and fund Ukraine too.
I don't see why the USA has to pay for everything; they are going bust. Will the EU step up and fund Ukraine's defence in place of the USA or will they simply bitch at the USA (like this thread is)?
Time for European's to step up.

The ignorance in this post is absolutely astounding, for goodness sake educate yourself, it’s embarrassing.

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 14:31

user9876543211 · 04/03/2025 14:18

Not sneering, but wasn't that vote essentially tipped by English retirees who had relocated to Wales?

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No.

Petuniaspetal · 04/03/2025 14:31

Your name is appropriate because no one else appears to have heard these threats. Please do show the quotes and facts .Are these the new maga/russia fabricated talking points that never get researched?

So far, trump et al. have lied about the amount of investment that has been given to the Ukraine by the USA nearly doubling the amount to 350bn dollars.
He said that Zelensky hadn't thanked the US when he has done so publicly by word and in writing numerous times.

They also claimed Zelensky was campaigning for Biden when he went to a munitions factory...to THANK ..the workers for their help. He met with Biden and Harris AND later that day met with trump, who did his usual and praised him at the time, and then a few days later criticised him for meeting Biden and Harris.

We will wait patiently for your quotes and facts.....

JHound · 04/03/2025 14:30

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 13:57

I don't think many young people know that we had to pay America back for their support in WW2. $3.75 billion that was only finally paid off in 2006.

Yep - they think they did it from the goodness of the heart.

Unless they are American in which case they think they won WWII single handedly.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/03/2025 14:30

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:18

The Americans & passports comparison is always pathetic.
Americans can ski, lie on a beach and everything in between with a driving lisc for ID. Why ski in Alps when you have Rockies closer & cheaper. Why go to Riviera when you have much better & cleaner beaches on both coasts.

It’s simple economics.

Do majority of Brits /Europeans travel in Europe for the cultural experiences? They have passports because they need one to leave!!.

It’s just some silly snobbish thing to say “even my grandparents have passport, most Americans don’t!” That’s because your grandparents need/needed a passport to go to Malaga …. American grandparents don’t need one for Florida!

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We do travel to Europe for cultural experiences yes, you should try it sometime.
Greece is the cradle of western civilisation, the Roman Empire ruled much of Europe, Western Asia and North Africa. The culture, traditions, arts, and architecture are what broadens people’s minds and prevents them from becoming small minded and insular. I don’t think there’s much culture to be had at a theme park in Florida.

Notonthestairs · 04/03/2025 14:30

The US is allied to Russia now. Trump gave every indication of this prior to his election. We shouldn't have been surprised - I suppose we were hoping that he would atleast respect the previous agreements and commitments the US made. Or that Trump might be persuaded to see some value in the Western alliance.

Peace in Europe is now longer of interest to the US and nothing they agree to is of any value.

I have no doubt Trump/Vance would parcel us up and hand us to Putin if they thought it would please him and thereby lever Russia away from their alliance with China.

Zebedee999 · 04/03/2025 14:29

The USA is $36trillion in debt. A nation of 300million has been funding European defence (600million people) for too long. Time the European's paid for their own defence and fund Ukraine too.
I don't see why the USA has to pay for everything; they are going bust. Will the EU step up and fund Ukraine's defence in place of the USA or will they simply bitch at the USA (like this thread is)?
Time for European's to step up.

BMW6 · 04/03/2025 14:27

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 13:33

What I saw was Trump & Co pursuing a negotiated solution. Both sides feeling like the got something and ending a costly war.
Looked like press conference was supposed to signal this.

Mr Z … didn’t want a negotiable and let that be known.

So, now it’s all about war - weapons spending, troops, death and in the end - boarders similar to whatever Trump negotiation would have yielded with added cost of a military boarder zone costing billions a year to defend.

thanks Zelensky….

The more I think about it - he is a little fool in heels, dancing EU & UK into a costly war.

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If that's what you saw you better go to Specsavers 😂

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 14:25

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:18

The Americans & passports comparison is always pathetic.
Americans can ski, lie on a beach and everything in between with a driving lisc for ID. Why ski in Alps when you have Rockies closer & cheaper. Why go to Riviera when you have much better & cleaner beaches on both coasts.

It’s simple economics.

Do majority of Brits /Europeans travel in Europe for the cultural experiences? They have passports because they need one to leave!!.

It’s just some silly snobbish thing to say “even my grandparents have passport, most Americans don’t!” That’s because your grandparents need/needed a passport to go to Malaga …. American grandparents don’t need one for Florida!

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I don't want a war with you about this. I'm well aware that Americans have a whole continent to travel in - we made the most of it when we lived there. Practically no one we worked with had a passport. Who's being snobbish?? It has nothing to do with having or not having a passport.
Sorry for derailing OP!

Donttellempike · 04/03/2025 14:25

itsjustbiology · 04/03/2025 12:15

I am sorry but I have never in my 50 pus years on this earth read so much crap and seen so many hysterical posts as on this thread. its bloody ridiculous.where on earth are you getting your bizarre ideas from?
President Trump is posturing and making a very valid point to the world,us included,cannot you see that?He is taking a stand and a valid one at that that America is not the saviour of the world especially financially.Why do you all expect that country to finance everything? America owes no country anything, and why should the President and citizens of America be subject to such disrespect? Aid has temporarily been suspended. This is to force the hand of the little man running round the world with his hands out in his action man clothes demanding every other country finance his every whim whilst billions of pounds has gone "missing". Nobody,not one single country,us,France,anyone can go into this with alleged peacekeepers or boots on the ground without America no one, you should remember that.No American backing No dice and no one can move and no peace. Whilst our Pm is rallying leaders of nations no one has the money.weapons or troops to move an inch without America. Trump is forcing the hand of Zalensky to negociate. As for being a russian plant well ffs grow up.This war will be stopped round a table not on the battlefield as zalensky would like glorified by dead soldiers on the ground. I would step back,calm down and have a chill about which scenario would play out the best for everyone.

Hi Donny

AnonymousBleep · 04/03/2025 14:23

CatServant2020 · 04/03/2025 14:19

European leaders realise that if they don't support Ukraine then they are likely to need their own troops on the ground in there own country and that their citizens will be dead in their own country.

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Yep. Better the frontline is in Ukraine than Calais.

Utterly baffling how anyone non-American (or Russian) could possibly think that Trump is doing the right thing. Maybe it'll finally dawn on them when it's their sons being conscripted in 5 years time.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/03/2025 14:21

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 13:33

What I saw was Trump & Co pursuing a negotiated solution. Both sides feeling like the got something and ending a costly war.
Looked like press conference was supposed to signal this.

Mr Z … didn’t want a negotiable and let that be known.

So, now it’s all about war - weapons spending, troops, death and in the end - boarders similar to whatever Trump negotiation would have yielded with added cost of a military boarder zone costing billions a year to defend.

thanks Zelensky….

The more I think about it - he is a little fool in heels, dancing EU & UK into a costly war.

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Did you see that on the propaganda channel? Because the rest of the world saw a senile old man being controlled by Putin and a VP with an IQ that’s invisible.
The UK is far from perfect but we are still prepared to stand up to aggressors like Putin, just like we did in 1939 with Hitler, whilst the US sat back and watched for 2 years. The US is now generally regarded as a rogue nation, I don’t know where you think that leaves them in the long term.

user9876543211 · 04/03/2025 14:21

Nanny0gg · 04/03/2025 14:14

And the Democrats don't seem to have started looking for a new, intelligent, younger leader yet

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Typically there won't be visibility on that until we start heading towards a primary. Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer and Pete Buttigieg are clearly starting to make exploratory moves, but it will be slow right now. And Gavin Newsom, but I'm not including him because I think he's permanently thinking about it.

Adding: Mark Cuban has started making some noise about dipping his toe in.

Tabitha005 · 04/03/2025 14:21

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 14:18

I don’t think they’re on Putin’s payroll.

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No, you're right. They're not exactly dynamic in countering the rise of Trump's brand of politics though.

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 14:21

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:18

The Americans & passports comparison is always pathetic.
Americans can ski, lie on a beach and everything in between with a driving lisc for ID. Why ski in Alps when you have Rockies closer & cheaper. Why go to Riviera when you have much better & cleaner beaches on both coasts.

It’s simple economics.

Do majority of Brits /Europeans travel in Europe for the cultural experiences? They have passports because they need one to leave!!.

It’s just some silly snobbish thing to say “even my grandparents have passport, most Americans don’t!” That’s because your grandparents need/needed a passport to go to Malaga …. American grandparents don’t need one for Florida!

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You’ve never left the US, have you? Never seen a building over 200 years old.

EasternStandard · 04/03/2025 14:21

European leaders realise that if they don't support Ukraine then they are likely to need their own troops on the ground in there own country and that their citizens will be dead in their own country.

Have any of them made a statement along these lines on the understanding there's no US security?

CatServant2020 · 04/03/2025 14:19

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 13:46

You make a lot of mind-reading assumptions. Trump capitulated… really?

Does any world leader, other than Mr Z, really want THEIR own troops on the ground in Ukraine.

I will mind read it for you … NO. Not one European country wants their citizens dead in Ukraine.

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European leaders realise that if they don't support Ukraine then they are likely to need their own troops on the ground in there own country and that their citizens will be dead in their own country.

tothelefttotheleft · 04/03/2025 14:19

nuned · 04/03/2025 12:24

Do we actually want a full on war with Russia ?

We are going to get nuked.

I for one, don't want a war. I'm not willing to die for Ukraine.

Reminds me of Chamberlain's attitude.

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:18

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 14:09

I didn't say 'a tiny amount'.

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The Americans & passports comparison is always pathetic.
Americans can ski, lie on a beach and everything in between with a driving lisc for ID. Why ski in Alps when you have Rockies closer & cheaper. Why go to Riviera when you have much better & cleaner beaches on both coasts.

It’s simple economics.

Do majority of Brits /Europeans travel in Europe for the cultural experiences? They have passports because they need one to leave!!.

It’s just some silly snobbish thing to say “even my grandparents have passport, most Americans don’t!” That’s because your grandparents need/needed a passport to go to Malaga …. American grandparents don’t need one for Florida!

BIossomtoes · 04/03/2025 14:18

Tabitha005 · 04/03/2025 14:17

The Democrats are simply the other cheek of the same arse, as far as I could ever see.

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I don’t think they’re on Putin’s payroll.

user9876543211 · 04/03/2025 14:18

BMW6 · 04/03/2025 14:14

Wales voted in favour. Try sneering accurately.

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Not sneering, but wasn't that vote essentially tipped by English retirees who had relocated to Wales?

Tabitha005 · 04/03/2025 14:17

Nanny0gg · 04/03/2025 14:14

And the Democrats don't seem to have started looking for a new, intelligent, younger leader yet

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The Democrats are simply the other cheek of the same arse, as far as I could ever see.

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 14:16

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 14:10

We will never know what outcome diplomacy would have yielded. Mr Z bailed out before any real options presented. We just don’t know what could have been.

As the man said…. Mr Z didn’t have the cards last week, he has less cards now.

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He didn't 'bail out'. He was asked to leave the White House by Trump aides!