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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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sidebirds · 11/03/2025 20:12

kungfoofighting · 11/03/2025 20:05

Yep, was just talking about this. Those few days of withholding aid and intelligence have caused irreparable damage.

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Tactical decision. Regrettable loss now in an attempt to avoid far greater loss with a continuous war.

kungfoofighting · 11/03/2025 20:08

Darker · 11/03/2025 20:03

Trump isn’t the only player here.

Lots of conversations happening to navigate this. Trump was the loudest. By his own admission he likes ‘good television’ .

I’m sure this development has been facilitated by Trump not actually being there.

kungfoofighting · 11/03/2025 20:06

sidebirds · 11/03/2025 19:29

Anyone would think you are unhappy that the Trump government's diplomacy may be about to bring the war to an end 🤨

Diplomacy 😂😂😂😂😂

kungfoofighting · 11/03/2025 20:05

DuncinToffee · 11/03/2025 19:51

Diplomacy?

His actions of witholding military aid and intelligence sharing has cost lives

Yep, was just talking about this. Those few days of withholding aid and intelligence have caused irreparable damage.

Darker · 11/03/2025 20:03

Trump isn’t the only player here.

Lots of conversations happening to navigate this. Trump was the loudest. By his own admission he likes ‘good television’ .

sleepwouldbenice · 11/03/2025 20:01

sidebirds · 11/03/2025 19:29

Anyone would think you are unhappy that the Trump government's diplomacy may be about to bring the war to an end 🤨

And repeat.

sleepwouldbenice · 11/03/2025 20:00

sidebirds · 11/03/2025 19:07

BBC website as of 7:00pm today.

Ukraine ready to accept ceasefire 🕊️

Trump's peace-making appears to be working ✌️

Correct this to Trumps bullying, lying and threats and that would be accurate

DuncinToffee · 11/03/2025 19:51

Diplomacy?

His actions of witholding military aid and intelligence sharing has cost lives

EasternStandard · 11/03/2025 19:34

Fingers crossed this can end. Half way there with outcome today. Sounds positive so far.

sidebirds · 11/03/2025 19:29

SinnerBoy · 11/03/2025 19:21

I agree, Trump is an immensely damaging fool.

Anyone would think you are unhappy that the Trump government's diplomacy may be about to bring the war to an end 🤨

SinnerBoy · 11/03/2025 19:21

I agree, Trump is an immensely damaging fool.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 11/03/2025 19:17

cardibach · 11/03/2025 19:10

Well, not really. Ukraine have been ready to accept all along, they just weren’t ready to hand everything over to Russia, quite rightly. So if Russia demand unreasonable things (like keeping any of Ukraine at all) then he won’t accept and it won’t happen. There’s only one way for this to end peacefully and that’s Putin getting the fuck out of someone else’s country.

This

and any peacekeeping will be in spite of Trump not because of Trump

cardibach · 11/03/2025 19:10

sidebirds · 11/03/2025 19:07

BBC website as of 7:00pm today.

Ukraine ready to accept ceasefire 🕊️

Trump's peace-making appears to be working ✌️

Well, not really. Ukraine have been ready to accept all along, they just weren’t ready to hand everything over to Russia, quite rightly. So if Russia demand unreasonable things (like keeping any of Ukraine at all) then he won’t accept and it won’t happen. There’s only one way for this to end peacefully and that’s Putin getting the fuck out of someone else’s country.

sidebirds · 11/03/2025 19:07

BBC website as of 7:00pm today.

Ukraine ready to accept ceasefire 🕊️

Trump's peace-making appears to be working ✌️

AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?
kungfoofighting · 11/03/2025 09:02

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Someone who has no familiarity whatsoever with London

SinnerBoy · 11/03/2025 08:53
SinnerBoy · 11/03/2025 08:15

Muslamic!
😆

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 11/03/2025 08:02

ForestAtTheSea · 10/03/2025 23:00

Actually Sharia courts exist in the UK; only their jurisdiction is limited and when they come to a conclusion that is incompabible with UK law, then UK law prevails.
This was said as an answer by the parliament to a petition to ban them. You can still find the reply, if you search for the key words sharia courts and UK parliament. I just don't want to link to it as linking to voting sites (even closed votings) could trigger a deletion of the post.

There are some newspaper articles about them, too, like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce

It seems they are only used by Muslim people for mostly family affairs, but in a way it is actually a parallel court system.

These might exist in other European countries, too, and it is a legit question whether there should be a parallel justice system or not. I don't agree with the frenzy about every citizen being subjected to them, but in fact there were reports from a German school where Muslim school kids asked their non-Muslim schoolmates to adhere to Muslimic clothing rules and wanted girls and boys to sit separately.
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/scharia-schueler-neuss-100.html
(in German, WDR is a public German broadcaster, like a local BBC).

But the uk does not have sharia law

muslims within the uk do, and jewish people have their laws

but UK law overides them all (as you have said)

DdraigGoch · 11/03/2025 06:08

wholettheturnipsburn · 10/03/2025 21:32

Oooh sharia law. When do you think we'll be getting that?

How exciting

Chopping off the hands of shoplifters? Well it'll certainly be effective, I'm warming to the idea.

DdraigGoch · 11/03/2025 06:02

Dontmeantooffendbut · 10/03/2025 01:44

We knew exactly why we voted for President Trump he has already made great moves in removing criminal aliens from our Country unlike your Judges who let them stay, you worry about Ukraine being invaded, England is being invaded everyday by young men of fighting age, your government has no incentive to stop them otherwise they would stop them and turn the boats around you need a

Trump someone with balls your elected officials are weak

So racism is why you voted Trump. Too many brown people, right?

Many of us are well aware that there are still people in the US who haven't got over being on the losing side in the Civil War.

ForestAtTheSea · 10/03/2025 23:00

wholettheturnipsburn · 10/03/2025 21:32

Oooh sharia law. When do you think we'll be getting that?

How exciting

Actually Sharia courts exist in the UK; only their jurisdiction is limited and when they come to a conclusion that is incompabible with UK law, then UK law prevails.
This was said as an answer by the parliament to a petition to ban them. You can still find the reply, if you search for the key words sharia courts and UK parliament. I just don't want to link to it as linking to voting sites (even closed votings) could trigger a deletion of the post.

There are some newspaper articles about them, too, like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/01/inside-britains-sharia-councils-hardline-and-anti-women-or-a-dignified-way-to-divorce

It seems they are only used by Muslim people for mostly family affairs, but in a way it is actually a parallel court system.

These might exist in other European countries, too, and it is a legit question whether there should be a parallel justice system or not. I don't agree with the frenzy about every citizen being subjected to them, but in fact there were reports from a German school where Muslim school kids asked their non-Muslim schoolmates to adhere to Muslimic clothing rules and wanted girls and boys to sit separately.
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/scharia-schueler-neuss-100.html
(in German, WDR is a public German broadcaster, like a local BBC).

SallyWD · 10/03/2025 21:38

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Haha, you really are gullible.

wholettheturnipsburn · 10/03/2025 21:32

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Oooh sharia law. When do you think we'll be getting that?

How exciting

sleepwouldbenice · 10/03/2025 20:41

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I find it hilarious you actually believe that

Careertimenow · 10/03/2025 20:15

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I was in London a couple of weeks ago I was born there and I am a proud Londoner. The one thing that we have that you'll never understand is culture. I fancy watching Dances with Wolves tonight learn about some American history.