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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:25

Sorry @HopeMumsnet but I really don’t see how the guidelines were contravened by those deleted posts.

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:19

Hi all,
Could we knock trying to locate where MNers live on the head, please? This thread does seem to have become rather personal - perhaps it would be wise for everyone to take a step back? Or maybe discuss the latest news about the Russian war on Ukraine and the response of President Trump?

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:17

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BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:07

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 09:05

Wrong again😀

Which bit? It’s what you’ve posted.

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Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 09:05

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Wrong again😀

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Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:56

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 08:55

You must be exhausted. You’ve had so little sleep.

I live abroad😀

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 08:55

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:50

I KNOW THIS. sorry the caps were locked on my phone anyways I am off to work now. Catch up later 👋

You must be exhausted. You’ve had so little sleep.

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:50

user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 08:44

This is like having a conversation with a 3 year old. You've gone from Zelenskyy's alleged real estate holdings to neighbours who didn't like their Ukrainian houseguests to clip in hair extensions and you think this is a logical argument?

The Russian people are cold and starved and fed a constant stream of disinformation, and the ones who speak out die mysteriously in prison. The are completely captured by the disinformation constantly fed to them. Nine out of ten approved of his actions last month. Russian billionaires do not want him gone because their wealth is tied to him (they mostly have it because of him) and there's a very good possibility they would lose it under any new regime.

I KNOW THIS. sorry the caps were locked on my phone anyways I am off to work now. Catch up later 👋

wholettheturnipsburn · 06/03/2025 08:45

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user9876543211 · 06/03/2025 08:44

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:37

He is very ill, rumour is he has either cancer or heart disease and I have noticed his hands are very swollen which is a sign which I have seen before. He uses lookalikes all the time now because he is ill. Nobody lives forever and he will die soon.
A lot of generals want him dead and the Russian billionaires want him gone it’s only a matter of time. It does worry me he might lash out with a missile at the UK so if Starmer decides to put our troops on the ground it is like poking the Russian bear. I studied Russian history at uni it’s very interesting. They are so close to us genetically we use Russian hair for hair extensions. I have some clip in ones and they come from Russia. Some poor woman has sold her hair for money. His people are suffering because of the sanctions and they want him gone as well. Sorry to ramble on but I am very interested in Russian history

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This is like having a conversation with a 3 year old. You've gone from Zelenskyy's alleged real estate holdings to neighbours who didn't like their Ukrainian houseguests to clip in hair extensions and you think this is a logical argument?

The Russian people are cold and starved and fed a constant stream of disinformation, and the ones who speak out die mysteriously in prison. The are completely captured by the disinformation constantly fed to them. Nine out of ten approved of his actions last month. Russian billionaires do not want him gone because their wealth is tied to him (they mostly have it because of him) and there's a very good possibility they would lose it under any new regime.

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 08:44

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:37

He is very ill, rumour is he has either cancer or heart disease and I have noticed his hands are very swollen which is a sign which I have seen before. He uses lookalikes all the time now because he is ill. Nobody lives forever and he will die soon.
A lot of generals want him dead and the Russian billionaires want him gone it’s only a matter of time. It does worry me he might lash out with a missile at the UK so if Starmer decides to put our troops on the ground it is like poking the Russian bear. I studied Russian history at uni it’s very interesting. They are so close to us genetically we use Russian hair for hair extensions. I have some clip in ones and they come from Russia. Some poor woman has sold her hair for money. His people are suffering because of the sanctions and they want him gone as well. Sorry to ramble on but I am very interested in Russian history

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Where do you get your news from? You already shared one Kremlin friendly news outlet

Hair grows back unlike limbs.

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 08:37

GiraffesAtThePark · 06/03/2025 08:16

What about our defence since Russia is invading Europe? It’s rather naive to just ignore Russia and Putin’s actions. If he’s allowed to do what he wants where does it end?

He is very ill, rumour is he has either cancer or heart disease and I have noticed his hands are very swollen which is a sign which I have seen before. He uses lookalikes all the time now because he is ill. Nobody lives forever and he will die soon.
A lot of generals want him dead and the Russian billionaires want him gone it’s only a matter of time. It does worry me he might lash out with a missile at the UK so if Starmer decides to put our troops on the ground it is like poking the Russian bear. I studied Russian history at uni it’s very interesting. They are so close to us genetically we use Russian hair for hair extensions. I have some clip in ones and they come from Russia. Some poor woman has sold her hair for money. His people are suffering because of the sanctions and they want him gone as well. Sorry to ramble on but I am very interested in Russian history

kungfoofighting · 06/03/2025 08:35

tommyhoundmum · 06/03/2025 08:28

Zelenski was a sucessful comedian before he was voted president.

He was also the lead producer of the TV channel ‘Inter’ until 2012

tommyhoundmum · 06/03/2025 08:28

Petuniaspetal · 05/03/2025 19:14

I will add that Putin for all his ideology about Russia lives in vast mansion and has more money that several oligarchs put together, so let's not enter into this false narrative about Zelensky.. Zelenskys 'wealth' hasn't come about from him grifting war monies ....but trump and putin have bled their own citizens whilst living in the lap of luxury.

Zelenski was a sucessful comedian before he was voted president.

GiraffesAtThePark · 06/03/2025 08:16

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 02:30

You do your research, he is not as squeaky clean as he makes out. Our money should be spent at home on the NHS, pensioners, education and also the government are now making cuts to welfare. Charity begins at home imo

What about our defence since Russia is invading Europe? It’s rather naive to just ignore Russia and Putin’s actions. If he’s allowed to do what he wants where does it end?

Psychostates · 06/03/2025 08:09

Darker · 06/03/2025 06:58

DARVO

"Personality measures suggest Donald Trump exerts a cult of personality over his followers, people who are psychologically susceptible to his appeal. This could help explain how he has succeeded in U.S. politics while other populists have not."

@Darker I suspect the above quote would explain posters like the one you referenced. They're weak minded, and easily brainwashed; narcissistical Trump prays on this. It is alarming to see how many are unable to think for themselves, nevermind having one ounce of humility.

CatMummyOf3 · 06/03/2025 07:59

Zebedee999 · 04/03/2025 15:30

I suspect that the USA will remove a lot of the bases you are referring to. They are in $36trillion of debt and can no longer to fund Europe's defence (including Ukraine). Trump is forcing the Europeans to up their defence budgets and look after themselves.

I'm British by the way, seeing lots of xenophobic American haters piling in on this thread.

It's not 'xenophopic American haters', it's disgust at Trump and his cult-like followers you are seeing.

There are many rational, intelligent Americans (who are equally disgusted by the orange buffoon), but very few left in a position to challenge Putin's puppet.

Petuniaspetal · 06/03/2025 07:56

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 02:30

You do your research, he is not as squeaky clean as he makes out. Our money should be spent at home on the NHS, pensioners, education and also the government are now making cuts to welfare. Charity begins at home imo

Show us your research. Comparable to putin no matter what he has done he is a pussycat. I know who I would prefer. Navalny, Litvenenko, the Salisbury poisonings as a quick reminder about Putin.

wholettheturnipsburn · 06/03/2025 07:34

pebbles8811 · 06/03/2025 06:06

@wholettheturnipsburn I am a lovely person I just don’t think we should have to keep paying. Answer me this when does it stop? Right now it’s we need more money then it’s we need more soldiers and before we know it our kids will be made to sign their life away to fight a war that’s duck all to do with them. Enough is enough. I am by no means a Trump supporter but he’s got a point. We see Zelenskyy flying round the world get out there and fight with your boys and men on the front line instead of running around asking for handouts and doing vogue photoshoots

How absolutely bonkers.

Zelensky is a president. He's being doing the job of a president.

All this "go to the front" bollocks is so immature.

wholettheturnipsburn · 06/03/2025 07:32

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 01:20

Do some research on his extermination of political rivals. Press gangs on Kiev streets. JOURNALISTS BEING MURDERED. ENDLESS LISTS.

The list isn't endless. How ridiculous.

And if you're talking about the red pill "sex coach" that drank and smoked himself to death well, frankly, get a grip

Darker · 06/03/2025 06:58

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 01:18

Zelenski is a failed actor clown comic and is trying to play big man on the world stage. He is a dictator and a monster. When he goes there can be peace. Trump ain't buying his BS.

DARVO

pebbles8811 · 06/03/2025 06:06

@wholettheturnipsburn I am a lovely person I just don’t think we should have to keep paying. Answer me this when does it stop? Right now it’s we need more money then it’s we need more soldiers and before we know it our kids will be made to sign their life away to fight a war that’s duck all to do with them. Enough is enough. I am by no means a Trump supporter but he’s got a point. We see Zelenskyy flying round the world get out there and fight with your boys and men on the front line instead of running around asking for handouts and doing vogue photoshoots

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 02:30

Cariadm · 06/03/2025 01:53

It might have escaped your notice but previously to being President he was a very successful HIGHLY paid TV personality and entertainer so it's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that he might have 'expensive' holiday homes in countries other than the Ukraine? 🙄Maybe do a little research and apply some actual common sense before you start slinging mud around about a man with more responsibility, worry, doubt and heartache for his fellow countrymen atm that none of us would want to swap places with? FFS!! 😡

You do your research, he is not as squeaky clean as he makes out. Our money should be spent at home on the NHS, pensioners, education and also the government are now making cuts to welfare. Charity begins at home imo

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