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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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cardibach · 06/03/2025 14:35

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 12:46

By disinformation you mean other's opinions?

No, opinions are interpretations of things. We can have different opinions about whether Brussels sprouts taste nice, or whether Barcelona is a good city for a hen do, or whether Trump’s policies make sense to us.
Disinformati9n is a polite word for lies. So, saying Zelenskyy has bought an expensive house in Florida or that he is a dictator and so on is disinformation. It’s not true. You can’t have the opinion that he has the house, he doesn’t and that’s that. He’s an elected leader so you can’t have the opinion he’s a dictator, he just isn’t and that’s that.
See the difference now?

Darker · 06/03/2025 14:35

Tanking the economy and then letting it bounce seems like a way to make a lot of money if you have the inside knowledge.

Psychostates · 06/03/2025 14:27

Papyrophile · 06/03/2025 14:06

I got bored with this article, so couldn't finish it. Vance is probably worse than Trump, and that's saying something

Papyrophile · 06/03/2025 14:06

https://unherd.com/2025/03/why-jd-vance-offends-us/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3&utm_source=UnHerd+Today&utm_campaign=afb05e8479-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2025_03_06_09_52&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_79fd0df946-afb05e8479-72957977

Different (and provocative) perspective from a normally respectable, reliable source. Sorry, have come late to this thread so have not read in full.

Petuniaspetal · 06/03/2025 13:44

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Hey baby...Google trump and tariffs...that sound you hear is the sound of trump reversing really quickly...why ?.....because he was tanking the economy ...how long has he been in government ?? 6 weeks. 😓That takes some doing in 6 weeks. 😃

His very very long boring speech the other day was all about what Joe biden did or didn't do....because he couldn't talk about much he had done himself that was positive because it was all about Elon, air crashes, doge, removing Medicaid, medicare, social security, and a large helping of illegality, and lies. Trump hates Joe biden because JB BEAT him. Old sleepy Joe beat trump and trump will never get over it. 😂

America has invited the thief into their house, opened the safe and told them where all jewellery is hidden, theyve let musk walk in and pocket it ...and pay him in the process. The republicans are tieing themselves in knots over American citizens getting a few dollars assistance but giving musk multiple billions of dollars...the south African is laughing all the way to his bank, while half of America cheers him on.

sleepwouldbenice · 06/03/2025 13:08

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 12:46

By disinformation you mean other's opinions?

Just a few quick questions

Who started the war?
Is Z a dictator?
Haa the war cost US 350b?
Should Canada become 51st state?
Are flat tariffs clever?
Where is the Gulf of Mexico?

I could go on, but your views on these would probably clear up the "who shallows disinformation" question

kungfoofighting · 06/03/2025 13:06

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 13:01

This is what North Korea and China calls disinformation: Different views and opinions. Why? Because information is limited to you if it doesn't fit the narrative. Thus if you're spoon fed government approved 'information ' then anything outside of this is deemed disinformation or conspiracy theories. It is deeper than this. DO BETTER.

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You are concerned about disinformation and government gaslighting in China and Korea?

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 13:01

This is what North Korea and China calls disinformation: Different views and opinions. Why? Because information is limited to you if it doesn't fit the narrative. Thus if you're spoon fed government approved 'information ' then anything outside of this is deemed disinformation or conspiracy theories. It is deeper than this. DO BETTER.

Darker · 06/03/2025 12:57

One of the reasons I find all this so terrifying is that there is undoubtedly a lot we simply don’t know.

Some of the information given is plausible, while some is apparently easy to dismiss as disinformation. And I think that the more rubbish we have thrown at us, the more likely we are to agree with a more plausible account of the truth. We have become polarised and less able or willing to explore the nuances.

kungfoofighting · 06/03/2025 12:52

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 12:46

By disinformation you mean other's opinions?

Do you think a differing opinion automatically means disinformation?

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 12:51

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Petuniaspetal · 06/03/2025 12:49

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 11:31

I think this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome

  • A state of being unable to think clearly or behave normally, especially due to mental illness
  • A mental disorder that is relatively permanent
  • A disturbance of the mind or body
  • Synonyms include mental unsoundness, unbalance, and insanity

When I read the meaning of derangement the one person I think of that ticks all the boxes, funnily enough, is donald trump. 😅

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 12:46

By disinformation you mean other's opinions?

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 12:09

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 11:55

Here's the best short summary of the overall situation (pre-Oval Office fracas) of which I am aware. As Beverley Turner says above the (4 minute) video, "If you can prove any of this wrong, I want to hear it":

x.com/beverleyturner/status/1897459372722196731?s=46

Robert F. Kennedy Jr EXPOSES the TRUTH about Ukraine-Russia War in 4 minutes.

😂😂😂

sidebirds · 06/03/2025 11:55

Here's the best short summary of the overall situation (pre-Oval Office fracas) of which I am aware. As Beverley Turner says above the (4 minute) video, "If you can prove any of this wrong, I want to hear it":

x.com/beverleyturner/status/1897459372722196731?s=46

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2025 11:42

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 11:31

I think this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome

It’s Trump’s defenders, not detractors, who have ‘Derangement Syndrome’

kungfoofighting · 06/03/2025 11:37

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:26

Any chance you could knock the rampant misinformation here (and on other threads) on the head with deletion? I know people challenge it, but that’s not good enough. It’s well known that repetition of misinformation leads people to begin to think there must be some truth in it. Can you delete it immediately you see it/it’s reported please?

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Hear hear – the forum is full of deliberate disinformation coming from who knows where

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:36

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 11:31

I think this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome

Your condition where you can’t see any faults with him? Yes,I think you may be correct.

Crakajak · 06/03/2025 11:31

I think this is called Trump Derangement Syndrome

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:26

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:19

Hi all,
Could we knock trying to locate where MNers live on the head, please? This thread does seem to have become rather personal - perhaps it would be wise for everyone to take a step back? Or maybe discuss the latest news about the Russian war on Ukraine and the response of President Trump?

Any chance you could knock the rampant misinformation here (and on other threads) on the head with deletion? I know people challenge it, but that’s not good enough. It’s well known that repetition of misinformation leads people to begin to think there must be some truth in it. Can you delete it immediately you see it/it’s reported please?

cardibach · 06/03/2025 11:20

Elissaisnotmyname · 06/03/2025 02:27

Someone else who doesn’t want to help the Ukraine. Not all countries want to get involved in this war

Nobody WANTS to. It’s just inevitable if we don’t want to make matters worse than they already are. Inevitable unless Putin stops, of course. He can end the war tomorrow if he wants. He wouldn’t even get any political blowback because what he says goes.
Also, much as I dislike Meloni, I’m going to have to defend her on this one. She does want to help. There’s more than one way of helping. https://www.governo.it/en/articolo/president-meloni-meets-president-zelensky-ukraine/27795
Her comment on Italian troops is really quite specific.

President Meloni meets with President Zelensky of Ukraine

The President of the Council of Ministers, Giorgia Meloni, met with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, in the margins of the leaders’ summit hosted by the United Kingdom in London. The meeting provided an opportunity to reiterate Italy’s sup...

https://www.governo.it/en/articolo/president-meloni-meets-president-zelensky-ukraine/27795

AllTheTreesOfTheField · 06/03/2025 11:02

The emergency EU summit will soon be underway. We'll have to hope for unity in defence spending.

BIossomtoes · 06/03/2025 09:41

Thank you. I appreciate that.

HopeMumsnet · 06/03/2025 09:36

Hi there,
You're very welcome to contact us to discuss it @blossomtoes.

MellersSmellers · 06/03/2025 09:33

Yes. Ukrainians will die as a direct result of the lack of US intelligence on drone and missile attacks. Shame on him.
I'm gob-smacked he thinks he could be a candidate foe the Nobel Peace Prize the way he's acting.