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I really want this job but is this a red flag?

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sundayclean · 04/03/2025 11:16

I'm looking for a new job and have been invited to attend an interview this Thursday at 2:30. Unfortunately I have a dentist appointment on Thursday at 2pm which has been booked for well over a month. I have an NHS dentist and they are very very strict with cancelling and rescheduling appointments. I cancelled once last year (first time in 7 yrs) due to an emergency and they said if it happened again then I would be taken off the register. It's not great but I only stay with them as I can't afford to go private.

Anyway, I spoke with the hiring manager at the beginning of last week and she contacted yesterday to arrange the interview. In all fairness I never mentioned my appointment when I initially spoke to her as it just slipped my mind but she also didn't mention what day the interviews would be on if I was successful getting to the next stage.

I've asked if she can accommodate another day/time to which she's said no. I really want this job, but she does seem a bit inflexible/awkward. Or am I the one being awkward? I don't really want to risk losing my dentist for a job that I might not even get and I think expecting someone to cancel a prior appointment with 3 days notice is a bit unreasonable. Would this put you off?

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Bearbookagainandagain · 04/03/2025 20:43

YesImawitch · 04/03/2025 15:04

Absolutely this
Tbh flaky candidates who have zero idea about recruitment policies or KPIs and would expect an interview at their convenience keeping 5 or so other candidates waiting for a week or so -bottom of the list.
It shows naivety about the working environment.

YOUR recruitment policies maybe. Other employers (all of them actually, in my personal experience) show way more flexibility because it is completely stupid to lose a potential good candidate for a reason so banal.

Calling others "naive" for expecting minimum of respect for people's time really shows how patronising and controlling you would be as an employer. It is a red flag.

ZippyDoodle · 04/03/2025 19:38

No mention of next interview, three days notice and no flexibility?!

Nah, I think you've done the right thing.

Hoppinggreen · 04/03/2025 17:46

When I have done job interviews as an employer sometimes I put aside a day or 2 afternoons or similar and as long as I had enough good candidates for those times I wouldn't accommodate anyone at another time.
Sorry OP but interviewers are often very busy and if there are good candidates that can make the required slots there is no reason for them to offer you an alternative.

iolaus · 04/03/2025 17:41

Thing is depending on what job you are going for they may not particularly care about having the best person ever for the job, they just want someone good enough so will pick out of the ones they have on the day they are interviewing

ElfAndSafetyBored · 04/03/2025 17:31

sundayclean · 04/03/2025 13:55

@Midlifecrisisxamillion well I was very interested in the job, but as mentioned previously, I didn't want to risk losing my dentist or delaying my treatment after waiting over a month to be seen. I didn't really have much choice.

I think you should contact them, say you were very sorry to pull out due to dental treatment appointment (stressing not just a routine appt) how interested you were in the post and that you would be interested to hear from them if the position does not get filled.

You never know!

But I would say this isn’t necessarily a red flag for the organisation as it can be very hard to get an interview panel together.

godmum56 · 04/03/2025 17:12

To those who are asking about the dentist, The Op had already previously completely missed an appointment so is on a last chance.

LadyNairne · 04/03/2025 16:51

sundayclean · 04/03/2025 14:51

@LadyNairne thank you for this, that's really helpful. Out of curiosity, how much notice do you normally give candidates? I know you mentioned that you only offer 1 slot but would you give them more than 3 days notice so that they could try and book time off work or rearrange a prior commitment etc? I know many employers expect at least 1 week's notice for staff to take time off work.

I usually give a one week notice for interview slots.

For a 30 minute video interview honestly I’d expect the candidate to just take time out fo their job (eg a late lunch hour) to do it rather than a whole day off work, but that is perhaps the level and sector we work in.

Would your NHS dentist strike you off if you couldn’t attend your appointment due to an emergency? Do they need to know the reason?

PuppyMonkey · 04/03/2025 16:40

Blimey, getting struck off the dentist simply for trying to reschedule an appointment sounds a bit OTT. What if you’ve been run over by a bus or kidnapped by aliens? Grin

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Panicmode1 · 04/03/2025 16:24

Is it a private v public sector thing? I have only ever worked in the private sector -this job was in the public sector. My brother works for them and said it's very common that they are inflexible.

That said, I have another public sector interview tomorrow and was given a week's notice of two days for interviews so have been able to arrange things accordingly. I still think, that if you only give 24-48 hours notice and no other options, and there hasn't been prior notice of the interview dates, that it is unreasonable.

Or, maybe this is just how things are now - I'm in my mid 50s so am less used to the 'computer says no' situation that seems to be how recruitment is done in today's job market. (My DH is currently job seeking after redundancy and it's utterly hideous - and no-one seems to have any manners nowadays).

godmum56 · 04/03/2025 16:06

GRex · 04/03/2025 16:02

The dentist can reschedule, the issue will be with you not turning up to previous appointments (most likely) or cancelling on the day many times.

The employer can offer times, but it is a bit weird to offer only one slot. I would expect them to open up alternatives early morning, evening or next week if you can't make Thursday, but that you would then make sure you can attend. Either they are very inflexible, or you are low on the recruiter's list but they are putting you through to make up the numbers.

it might have meant that they had quite a few shortlisted candidates with equal qualifications.

godmum56 · 04/03/2025 16:05

Panicmode1 · 04/03/2025 15:02

I received an invitation to an interview for Thursday morning, on Tuesday at 4pm - during half term, when I was away. I emailed back and said I was very sorry, but I couldn't make it because I was on holiday but gave three or four days the following week when I could interview (it had to be in person). They withdrew my application. I assume that they had an internal candidate because I think giving someone less than 48 hours notice of an in person interview, and then refusing to accommodate or even allow a shortlisted candidate to interview, was meant to make it impossible. At least you were shortlisted - it's flipping tough out there so well done!

it might have meant that they had quite a few shortlisted candidates with equal qualifications.

Tricho · 04/03/2025 16:03

I had this happen. I also really wanted the job so moved my appointment.

I got the job.

It was fucking hell on earth and the worst culture I've ever know. I lasted 3 months.

Proceed with caution.

GRex · 04/03/2025 16:02

The dentist can reschedule, the issue will be with you not turning up to previous appointments (most likely) or cancelling on the day many times.

The employer can offer times, but it is a bit weird to offer only one slot. I would expect them to open up alternatives early morning, evening or next week if you can't make Thursday, but that you would then make sure you can attend. Either they are very inflexible, or you are low on the recruiter's list but they are putting you through to make up the numbers.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 04/03/2025 15:51

it varies depending on the type of job. If there are a lot of vacancies, and a rolling recruitment, then yes, it is unreasonable. But that is rare - it is more likely that the panel of people who are going to interview have had to coordinate their diaries, cancel and rearrange their other work, coordinate a number of people to attend, and try to fit in everyone to the times available. If I were interviewing 5 people for a job in those circumstances, I would have the same reaction.

faithspikebuffy · 04/03/2025 15:38

I applied for one recently and currently my work isn't flexible so I can't just take time out for an interview
They immediately offered me an evening slot for interview if I couldn't make the day one

Panicmode1 · 04/03/2025 15:34

But how much notice do you give of the interviews - if you are asking people to attend an interview with 24-48 hours notice, I'm not sure that is reasonable. Completely understand that it takes time to organise diaries - but if the job advert doesn't state interview dates, then I think it is a bit harsh to not allow SOME flexibility......

godmum56 · 04/03/2025 15:26

LadyNairne · 04/03/2025 14:23

I’ve done a lot of hiring and organising of job interviews in my professional life. At my current large company we need 3 managers plus 1 HR person for a panel even for junior positions.

I will shortlist usually a maximum of 4 candidates for interview so we will schedule 2.5 - 3 hours in the calendars of the 4 staffs members to do 4 x back to back 30 minute interviews followed by 30 minutes to discuss the candidates, compare our scores and make our decision for HR to take forward.

Persuading 4 staff members to give up 3 hours then fitting this time into their schedules is hard and especially as the panel has certain diversity and seniority requirements.

I therefore give the interviewees zero choice on intervirw time. If one candidate was outstanding, and my top choice on paper, I might be a little flexible but not for the others. Just can’t manage it. If one drops out generally I think it makes my choice easier as I then only have to do 3 interviews not 4.

Sorry it’s so brutal but I hope this helps explain why it’s not necessarily a red flag about a company or organisation rather just down to practical time pressures.

this, as I said earlier

Isobel201 · 04/03/2025 15:25

I gave up on NHS dentists years ago, I pay monthly for a medical plan which gives cashback for things like dentists and opticians, so you may find that's more affordable?

Panicmode1 · 04/03/2025 15:12

YesImawitch · 04/03/2025 15:04

Absolutely this
Tbh flaky candidates who have zero idea about recruitment policies or KPIs and would expect an interview at their convenience keeping 5 or so other candidates waiting for a week or so -bottom of the list.
It shows naivety about the working environment.

We give at least a week's notice for interviews - and I often have to co-ordinate 3 senior partners' diaries as well as a candidate's availability. I think it's unreasonable to give less than 2 or 3 days notice and expect a candidate to be able to attend, especially for an in person interview. If they are already working, then in many places, it's almost impossible to take time off within that timeframe.

sundayclean · 04/03/2025 15:10

@CatsorDogsrule it doesn't really matter though, even with a few days notice they will take you off the register. It's poor I agree, but that's just how NHS dentists are now. They have people fighting to get on the list so they don't care.

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sundayclean · 04/03/2025 15:07

@Ihopeyouhavent @YesImawitch but surely you give candidates more than 3 days notice? Many employers, including my own, expect at least 1 weeks notice to take time off work.

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CatsorDogsrule · 04/03/2025 15:06

Your last dental appt cancellation was an emergency, so presumably very short notice. 3 days notice is unlikely to fall into the same category and unlikely to be considered another strike against you as they will easily fill the appointment.

A moot point now as you've withdrawn your job application. Good luck with the treatment and finding another job.

YesImawitch · 04/03/2025 15:04

Ihopeyouhavent · 04/03/2025 14:21

I've worked in recruitment and this isnt a red flag.

It means they have a schedule of interview dates, with rooms booked , interviewers lined up etc. There's a deadline of when the interviews take place, washups and offers made. Schedules cant be changed just because 1 candidate cant attend.

Its unfortunate, but happens all the time.

Absolutely this
Tbh flaky candidates who have zero idea about recruitment policies or KPIs and would expect an interview at their convenience keeping 5 or so other candidates waiting for a week or so -bottom of the list.
It shows naivety about the working environment.