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To think that being told to make my work emails more “flowery” is ridiculous?

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BoldBrickDreamer · 03/03/2025 22:21

I was recently given feedback that my work emails should be more “flowery” and “softer.” Apparently, I come across as too direct, even though I’m always polite and professional.

I don’t see the issue - why should I have to add unnecessary fluff just to get my point across? Surely being clear and to the point is more efficient?

AIBU to think this is just another way of policing how people (especially women) communicate in the workplace? Or is there actually value in making emails sound a bit more “gentle?”

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Birdie280125 · 04/03/2025 05:36

I'm with you, I prefer to the point emails. I do believe there is expectation for women to write fluffy emails, but in my experience it's other women that expect softer emails, mocked my direct style, but no issue seen when male colleagues just write to the point emails. There's no need to write essays about weather and weekend, I just want to convert the information or ask for it.

daisychain01 · 04/03/2025 05:31

request =
I have a tight deadline of 12 March, grateful if you can do xyz by Friday to help me with that. Many thanks.

chase up =
wondering if you were able to (or did you happen to ...) find that file we discussed? Many thanks

if I'm confirming agreement, I would never just put "OK fine", that would be passive aggressive in my mind, it takes nothing to type "Thanks Jane that sounds ideal" if you're in a rush.

In our industry it's very normal to just put the persons name, not Hi or Dear, but I tend to add the latter to soften, otherwise it can come across too brusque and to a more junior grade, it could sound a bit intimidating, so I always start with Hi

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 04/03/2025 05:26

Flowery and softer are two different things to me. Making them flowery sounds unnecessary but softer suggests you are being too direct/ setting a harsh tone and you need to tone it down. I would try and work on the softer element .

Nonstopnoise · 04/03/2025 05:04

We’ve only ever had to have words with one colleague whose approach was too direct - a man as it happens but it would have been bloody tiresome had they been a woman and they used sexism as a defence. As it happens he accepted he should soften his approach, he was given concrete examples of how his emails and his in-person conversations impacted others, he just didn’t value how others felt. When he left, despite his talent we were quite relieved he was someone else’s problem.

CheekyHobson · 04/03/2025 05:01

The use of the word “flowery” is ridiculous and should be ignored. “Softer” may be valid.

If your emails really are as polite yet direct as the one you quoted, I think they are fine and you should disregard the feedback, but if they actually often err more towards

Here’s the file you requested.
Kath

or

This report needs updating with the information from yesterday’s session. Can you have this done no later than end of day?
Thanks,
Kath

then perhaps you could be a touch friendlier.

pelargoniums · 04/03/2025 04:49

The amount of “just use energy-intensive and problematic AI to plagiarise the millions of minor work emails you send instead of developing basic communication skills that will stand you in good stead your entire career” advice is terrifying.

Agix · 04/03/2025 04:40

All these people talking about how they prefer blunt and direct emails and how being nice is stupid reminds me of those teenagers who are all edgy because they think it makes them cooler.

Just be a little bit nice to people and stop being huge edgelords, damn. You're not being cool, you're being cringey.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 04/03/2025 04:40

You not seeing the issue.....is probably the issue.

It's ironic that most of the responses that agree with you are paragraphs of 'fluff' giving justification to their directness

KickHimInTheCrotch · 04/03/2025 04:30

It depends how you want people to perceive you and how you want to get your message across. If you want people to feel warmth and connection then add a bit of fluff to help grease the wheels. It's hard to convey tone and feeling in a short email about a specific subject if you don't add any pleasantries which means people can perceive your intentions incorrectly.

Superwomann · 04/03/2025 04:13

I totally get you, I’m Scandinavian and we tend to be very direct. I hate the “ flowery” bollocks, get to the point, I don’t have time for fluff. Also the more senior you get the preference seems to be “ get to the flipping point”. However, especially here in the UK, people seem to be quite sensitive and if you want to get the best out of them you might need to add a bit more fluff. I think it says a lot about people if they get offended or wouldn’t be inclined to do their best at work just because your email is straight to the point. Frankly I have no time for them

IridiumSky · 04/03/2025 03:47

Femb0t · 03/03/2025 23:54

Just stick "I hope this email finds you well" at the beginning and "warmest regards" at the end, job done. People love that shit.

I don’t ’love that shit’. Seen it lot lately, from big company clients. Was it in some stupid management book or something?

I think what’s it to you whether I’m well or not? We both know you don’t give a monkey’s about me, or I about you, so kindly shut up a tell me what it is you want.

IridiumSky · 04/03/2025 03:40

Octavia64 · 03/03/2025 22:23

Depends.

Are you emailing things like

"This document is shit. Improve it over the weekend or I'll sack you on Monday"

If so they may have a point.

Superb!

That will get things done.

Whoever wrote that can work for me! 😀

I greatly dislike long convoluted business emails which beat around the bush with stupid niceties rather than just saying what the writer wants, using the minimum number of words.

TheBlueUser · 04/03/2025 02:42

I've had this feedback before and I also think it's ridiculous. My emails are direct, clear, and to the point, but they are never rude. I have some people email me and they beat around the bush so much I'm not even clear what they want.

I also have a colleague who over instant chat will message 'hi', I will say hi back, then they'll ask 'how are you / how is your day going etc'.... before actually getting to the point of why they are messaging me.

I find it SO tedious - why do they not just message me what they want in the first message.

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 02:36

I think she wants you to approach email requests as you would face-to-face requests. I.e. pleasantly. You wouldn't just walk up to someone and bluntly say, “Could you take a look at this when you get a chance? Thanks!” then walk off, especially if these people are your equals/colleagues. Are you a manager though? I would generally expect and accept less friendliness from a manager than from a colleague.

2021x · 04/03/2025 02:35

SnobblyBobbly · 03/03/2025 23:05

One of my team is very blunt in her emails and I can't stand it. I wouldn't ask for 'flowery' but have the decency to tell me why you can't make an event rather than just 'I can't make that date' and sign off with your actual name not just one initial....(particularly when the name is only 3 letters long anyway....) Comes over as offhand, superior and kind of lazy like she barely has the time for anything above the bare minimum. Which I know is absolutely not the case.

See the inital would annoy me, but if someone can't come they don't owe me an explanation as to why.

2021x · 04/03/2025 02:33

Ha Ha Ha Ha, yes I have had that feedback before because I generally stick to facts and information, when I have used superlatives it really loses the message.

If you are generally polite i.e. address the person, say pleases and thank yous I wouldn't worry to much about it, but it you just give them one line of "I want X by Friday" then I would be a bit annoyed.

Or use AI to strike the right tone. Emails are so difficult because you can't judge the persons mood when they read it, whereas with talking if someone looked a bit wobbly you would use a gentler tone with them.

MsAmerica · 04/03/2025 02:16

BoldBrickDreamer · 03/03/2025 22:21

I was recently given feedback that my work emails should be more “flowery” and “softer.” Apparently, I come across as too direct, even though I’m always polite and professional.

I don’t see the issue - why should I have to add unnecessary fluff just to get my point across? Surely being clear and to the point is more efficient?

AIBU to think this is just another way of policing how people (especially women) communicate in the workplace? Or is there actually value in making emails sound a bit more “gentle?”

On the surface, this seems very sexist. But I'm wondering if maybe they just meant to say "please" and frame things as a request, rather than a demand.

Chaseandstatus · 04/03/2025 02:13

Do you work in a garden centre, if so then of course you should write flowery emails.

Don't get too hung up on one word, just take it on board and be a bit less direct.

Fraaances · 04/03/2025 01:39

Was this a male, by any chance? I would compare your email style to that of your male colleagues and see if they are any different. (My guess is no….) If not, I would take these examples to HR and ask why your male colleagues are not being instructed to make their emails more flowery.

EBearhug · 04/03/2025 01:22

If I had this feedback, I would be very tempted to do as @Ankhmo did and go totally overboard. Although I'm only 3 months into a new job, so perhaps it would be more sensible to ask for examples of the sort of thing they mean.

I did have to go and chat to HR about my tone etc in a previous job. When I pointed out that X was far worse, to the point people actively avoid working with him, I was told that that's just the way he is and I needed to learn to live with him. But I was expected to change, rather than anyone learning to live with me? The only real difference about me was that I was the only woman in the department, but when I suggested sexist double standards might be at play, I was told I was being over sensitive. Hmm.

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 01:01

EdithBond · 04/03/2025 00:51

Anything like this at work, which could be micro-managing, I’d ask for an example of an email they think isn’t flowery enough and how they feel it should’ve been written. Ask in the spirit of being keen to comply. It often makes micro-managey people back off if you ask for specifics.

What’s the boss who this like? I bet it’s a woman.

It does sound rather sexist. I doubt they’d give this feedback to a man. Do you have male colleagues who do a similar job’ to you. What are their emails like? You could hint at sex discrimination, e.g. ‘have you asked John to make his emails more flowery, as I notice they’re of a similar tone to mine’

I’m definitely considering asking for more specifics to understand how I can improve, if that’s what they want. I’d rather just be clear and efficient, but I get it, it’s worth checking.

As for the feedback, it’s from a woman, but I’m not sure if male colleagues get the same type of feedback. I’ll keep an eye on their emails to see if there’s any noticeable difference. If it turns out to be the case, I might just bring it up casually like you suggested.

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EdithBond · 04/03/2025 00:51

Anything like this at work, which could be micro-managing, I’d ask for an example of an email they think isn’t flowery enough and how they feel it should’ve been written. Ask in the spirit of being keen to comply. It often makes micro-managey people back off if you ask for specifics.

What’s the boss who this like? I bet it’s a woman.

It does sound rather sexist. I doubt they’d give this feedback to a man. Do you have male colleagues who do a similar job’ to you. What are their emails like? You could hint at sex discrimination, e.g. ‘have you asked John to make his emails more flowery, as I notice they’re of a similar tone to mine’

Ballygowenwater · 04/03/2025 00:41

I’ve been told this before, when I first started working in the UK. Interestingly when we then began working with Irish suppliers my boss mentioned that maybe he was wrong to correct my tone as it was clearly the norm in previous roles I’d had.

the example I was given to follow was a colleague who would begin emails with a paragraph outlining what she had been up to for the weekend and referencing something mentioned by the intended recipient during their last communication. I hated it as it felt like such a waste of time and an overshare when all I wanted was to give or receive an update on whatever project we were working on at the time.

Toomuchsaltineverthing · 04/03/2025 00:38

I had a colleague who used to send the “When are you going to send the report?“ style e-mails.

People did get quite offended and tended to deliver the asked-for report with a pointed sniff.
“Well, it wasn’t late you know!”
Huff.

She rubbed so many people up the wrong way that someone ended up having to check her emails before they were sent out.
In her case English was not her first language, but she was fluent and had no actual difficulty with the language as such, she just misjudged the tone.

That said, I do think your edited version is too much!☺️

ItGhoul · 04/03/2025 00:32

PinkArt · 03/03/2025 22:28

I can't imagine any man ever being told his emails need to be softer and more flowery!

They absolutely would be told that, in any organisation I’ve worked at, if their emails were brusque to the point of rudeness (which I suspect the OP’s probably are).