Germany has a problem

Risk assessment? Na, never been heard of in Germany. 🙄
I am really not sure the UK should be lecturing anyone on this ( maybe the US)

Seems he was last sentenced to a fine concerning hate speech.
Might be interesting...

This time the killer is German but lets not pretend that having so many male immigrants from a completely different culture in your country doesn't cause problems because it really does.

The car was driven down on the tram tracks . There can be no absolute security .Or should all trams now be removed ?

It's almost like some form of denial. Obviously I wish there weren't evil people out there but it's clearly a massive risk. Do they not risk assess events?

The common denominator is that all attackers from whatever background are male.

Sick of male violence, but it's nothing new is it?

But they haven't

No idea how you got the idea I thought the victims deserve it.

Fact remains that security in Germany often feels minimal compared to an equivalent UK event.

Also reported in The Times :
'The local police force, already on tenterhooks after various warnings last week that a terror attack on a carnival parade might be imminent.'
It also states that the owner of the vehicle threatened to light himself on fire in August (unclear if that is the perpetrator yet).
Total deja vu. It's similar with the last string of attacks, always seems like the authorities could do more in my view.

The Times says it's the second attack in a similar part of Mannheim in nine months.

I don’t think that’s bigotry. Not with the pattern we have seen in Germany/ Europe with this kind of attack.

It’s like hearing about a family annihilation murder and linking it to male violence. Sure, if it turns out it was the wife you have been guilty of jumping to conclusions and will look a bit silly, but I’m not sure you’ve been guilty of bigotry, given the numbers for that crime.

Well, it'll be man. Again. As usual.

Yep.
The attacker done a reccy and identified the one way they could cause mass damage with their vehicle.

Germany has an issue with its apparent lack of security, choosing to trust people rather than face reality that many people, including the new Germans are evil.

There were bollards in Magdeburg - the attacker drove in through the 1 entrance that had been left open for the emergency services.

Thank you for explaining that the victims deserved it for lack of bollards.

I.e "I'm a bigot but I stand by it" is what that post is saying.

That's fine, if you've got some counter-data to prove that what I'm saying is bigotry rather than a pattern of offending, I'd be happy to see that.

If I were claiming that all immigrants were terrorist attackers, that to my mind would be bigotry. But I'm not.

I like to read BBC coverage … the carefully chosen words. I use BBC as an indicator - the more the use words to not say immigrant, or big announcement “German citizen”or longer they take to report an item other outlets are covering … the more likely it is a newcomer - citizen or not.

I.e "I'm a bigot but I stand by it" is what that post is saying.

Yeah well, that's prejudice for you, no need to wait for facts before broadcasting.

It's just pattern recognition.

Absolutely. They don't get it and don't implement lessons learned.

Yeah well, that's prejudice for you, no need to wait for facts before broadcasting.

What does 'intervening earlier' when there are signs look like though? You can monitor, or you can offer help. What kind of monitoring would be adequate without being heavy handed, and cover enough risky people but be affordable? What help can be offered and what happens if someone doesn't want it or comply with it? I think we end up in a cycle of collecting and filtering more chatter, deciding we need the powers to do more listening in, and de facto taking less action because.theres too much to act on and we're not very good at doing it.

Just because someone has German citizenship does not mean they are also not an immigrant.

Germany's problem, from my experience of a Christmas market holiday, is that they have near zero concept of security.

Wander in and out, loads of places you could drive a car up, no bag checks, lots of people crammed in together with no management of numbers or avoiding a crush.

People drive cars into crowds in Germany because Germany doesn't yet appear to have got it's act together on safety, or because Germans are prioritising free unmonitored association higher.