To HATE the phrase "lived experience"?

No, I think you could say you've experinced racism, if you've experinced it happening. It doesn't have to have happened to YOU in order for you to experince it, if it's happening around you.

There are loads of phrases I detest (my leave favourite right now is 'needless to say...' - so don't say it!) but I actually think the phrase 'lived experience' has its place.

YADNBU. It is used as an excuse to claim legitimacy by basing decisions on the anecdotal evidence of a select few (usually with the ‘correct’ opinions) rather than properly research or assess the views of the many.

It reaches its Nadir in ‘lived experience expert panals’ for the Scottish Government where half a dozen of so unrepresentative politically motivated individuals are selected and given power to direct eg bill to meet their own needs. And this is used to legitimise the absence of proper research.

Right up there with “authentic self”

It’s an adjective. People use adjectives to add nuance to bald statements.

No.

You have lived experience of supporting people with autism. AKA you support people with autism.

You also have lived experience of knowing people with autism. AKA you know people with autism.

People with autism have lived experience of living with autism. AKA those people have autism.

The phrase 'lived experience' is utter nonsensical and just used by wokists. Either to disregard other people's experiences or they have 'main character syndrome' and nobody else's opinion matters.

Indeed. I don’t think OP wants to understand this.

Great. You’re in publishing. This term is not relevant to your field and you have no need to dictate how people who need to use it do.

I’m in publishing too! And I absolutely hate it, as do many of my colleagues.

I work in a support role, with a team, some who have experience and many others who have lived experience.

Experience - have worked in a role like this before, are trained etc

Lived experience - The staff member has personal experience of living with the issue, either themself or caring for a friend/family member who has the issue.

In our line of work, lived experience is massively valuable. You can read/study whatever for a long time, but having lived experience means you really can understand.

Full disclosure: I work as a copy editor in publishing and I'm so fed up with the language being mangled.

Its a shame you can’t hear how in health, social work, academia, social sciences it’s an important concept because it doesn’t suit your particular discipline.

If you work as a copy editor, you must surely be aware that some phrases are not technically perfect but are widely in use.

I used to work for a mental health charity and lived experience was an important, useful and meaningful term for people we engaged with. I would have been deeply unimpressed if a content editor had started nitpicking about it.

I recently saw a discussion online about school provision for children with ASN. An educator pitched in, being quite derogatory about the opinion of someone that has a child with additional needs.

Someone else replied, and mentioned the parent's lived experience meaning that she knows what works for her child.

Both the educator and the parent have experience of children with ASN, but only one has the kind of lived experience that means they know that child's needs.

Totally agree. The term "experience" already covers something you lived through, something you "experienced". "Lived experience" is totally redundant and attention grabbing, like using multiple exclamation marks or all caps.

I am totally guilty of doing that in the past, but I am aware I did that for emphasis and to grab attention.

The ‘personal’ or ‘lived’ part is to denote that it’s not any other kind of experience, like professional experience. If you just say ‘experience’ it’s not clear which kind you mean. Not sure what part of that you are unable to understand.

Yes, the word ‘lived’ could technically be applied to professional experience but you’re just wilfully refusing to understand now.

nonsense. If you’re autistic, you’re autistic. It’s not an experience!

True, but if you’re autistic your experience of every day discrimination will likely be different to someone who is discriminated against for other characteristics they have, so it’s useful to know the context of that discrimination if/when it occurs. Lived experience is a handy way of understanding the context of someone’s knowledge base.

I have academic qualifications in working with traumatised people, I care for my own children with a trauma history, have decades experience in working with people who have experienced trauma and I have my own experience of significant trauma. Saying I’m an experienced trauma specialist doesn’t cover all the ways in which I understand trauma, and sometimes separating out those different experiences is helpful.

Here are two examples, which should make the difference clear.

1. I have 25+ years' experience in project management.
2. I have never managed a project in French.

I have experience of hundreds of different medical problems/surgeries. I don't have lived experience of the vast majority of them. Very simple.

They are distinct. Social Science articles demonstratecthis phenomenon. It is not new.
In qualitative phenomenological research, lived experience refers to the first-hand involvement or direct experiences and choices of a given person, and the knowledge that they gain from it, as opposed to the knowledge a given person gains from second-hand or mediated source.[1][2] It is a category of qualitative research together with those that focus on society and culture and those that focus on language and communication.[3]
In the philosophy of Wilhelm Dilthey, the human sciences are based on lived experience, which makes them fundamentally different from the natural sciences, which are considered to be based on scientific experiences.[4] The concept can also be approached from the view that since every experience has both objective and subjective components, it is important for a researcher to understand all aspects of it.[5]
In phenomenological research, lived experiences are the main object of study,[6] but the goal of such research is not to understand individuals' lived experiences as facts, but to determine the understandable meaning of such experiences.[7][8] In addition, lived experience is not about reflecting on an experience while living through it but is recollective, with a given experience being reflected on after it has passed or been lived through.[9]
The term dates back to the 19th century, but its use has increased greatly in recent decades.[10

The issue was /is that people with experience in something were put above/listened more than the people who actually lived through it.

Like a psychologist/therapist/police person saying that in their experience victims of rape act in x way When lived experience tells us that victims act in various ways and there's no "standard".

Or in their professional experience certain doctors ascertained black women have a higher pain threshold and can cope with it better , which then reflected in their practices.

And so on.

To combat this, in certain fields , both sides are starting to be taken in consideration. Both the people with experience in and people with experience of.

Of course you can’t have an experience without living it. I have professional, personal and lived experience of mental illness. I have lived through all of these things.

But according to OP I have to say ‘I have experience of living as a person who has suffered with mental health problems’ if I want to differentiate between different kinds of experience. Every time I want to differentiate at work, so probably every day, I have to say ‘people who have experience of living with mental health issues’. No, life is too short thanks.

A quick search of the Oxford English Dictionary has provided these definitions of the word ‘experience’:

“practical contact with and observation of facts or events”

“an event or occurrence which leaves an impression on someone”

Based on this it would appear the word itself has wider meaning and therefore the way it has, and is being used in the context of this thread is not incorrect.

Yeah… but of a buzz word. I used to listen to a podcast and one of the hosts came out with “that’s my lived experience walking around a supermarket”. He was wittering on about something completely unimportant like where products are placed. I rolled my eyes, but that was the start of the end of that podcast for me. I don’t listen to it anymore, but more due to a bigger transgression from them.

You know exactly what people mean you just want to be pedantic and pissed off about the expression because you don't like it. Doesn't make you right just makes you an arse.