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Due to give birth tomorrow and dp has said ...

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Onedayaway · 02/03/2025 19:50

That he has no money!

To not drip feed, dp started up his own business beginning of this year. I don't want to talk bad about him but I expressed my concerns on leaving a stable job to pursue independent work (with no savings to back him) when he knew I was pregnant. Of course I was called unsupportive and pessimistic for saying this and after a lot of arguments I realised he was never going to see reason.

Lone behold dp left his job and started up his own. It was okay for a short while but very quickly the work dried up with not enough reliable cliental to see him through the winter. This meant us solely surviving off my money (I worked part time and earned very little). This put me in financial predicaments but I felt like I couldn't complain because dp was already feeling stressed and like a "failure" for the lack of work.

Now coming up to the due date dp took on a massive job. It was meant to cover his paternity leave as we knew I was going to have an ELC and with an already small DC it would need all hands on deck for the first couple of weeks. It was all looking great, until it wasn't. He started falling behind on this job, issues arise, money goes scarce. Now he is in a situation where he genuinely can not afford to finish the job (think labour based) as he needs more materials/tools. The client doesn't know this and is wondering why the job isnt getting done.

I keep asking dp, who is being very overtly down and sensitive about this all, what is going on. When it came to talking figures on how much he needed to finish the job it went from oh a couple hundred, to when I finally pinned him to down to work out the numbers rather than guess, much over a grand! As a saving grace dp managed to secure another job in the meantime which was meant to save us and fill his pockets to complete this job, however now he has just told me that actually most of this money is going towards outstanding invoices/loans he has, meaning effectively the money is out before it comes in!

This basically means he won't have any money, I get very little which I've nearly used up to cover our living expenses and bills, and my head is swimming. I'm meant to be giving birth tomorrow and I don't even know what to do. It's bad enough with the nerves/anxiety having to get my head around the ELC but now adding this to the picture I'm struggling to not have a full blown panic attack. Dp has gone into feeling sorry for himself mode, so there will be no talking to him there and if I do I must tread lightly otherwise I risk him shutting down completely.

He plans to try and finish off the job throughout the next month, once he communicates to the client about the financial delay and hopes that the client can cover the cost. In the meantime this means I'll be home alone, after major op, with two under 5. I have support for the first week from my dparents and then that's it. Dp knew this and I kept stressing to him that if his work was to go over time to try and only have it extend for another week. Every time I spoke to him it was a "yes I'm nearly finished" "not long now" "I've just got to x y z" and yet here we are.

What do I do?! I feel like having a breakdown!!!!!

OP posts:
DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 03/03/2025 12:52

wishing you all the best with your operation and delivery today OP

Lavender14 · 03/03/2025 12:34

Ah op, that's so much to take on. I hope you're able to set this aside for now and focus on yourself and the safe arrival of your wee bub! Hoping everything goes smoothly for you.

I think when you're ready to face this again, to avoid him sweeping this under the carpet, i would be having some conversations about what it means to actually be a team and what that looks like- ie: complete transparency between you, coming to each other straight away when you need advice/help/ think you've made a mistake, dealing with problems in house (no more involving mum and dad) and sitting down at the end of each month and going through bills and income together as a pair.

I think you need to be really clear that this is the minimum of what you expect and this is the new norm to avoid this situation arising again and you being blindsided. If he breeches that trust again you're gone and it will be on him. It sounds like he's got the gift of the gab op so you need to set very clear boundaries he can't wiggle out of or explain away.

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Naunet · 03/03/2025 12:03

Nonrienderien · 03/03/2025 10:54

Apologies for not mentioning the financial side. I assumed given you mentioned you were able to borrow money from family this initial gap was sorted. I remember the days we had to borrow money, sell bikes etc anything to get us through the tough days. If people asked me how I coped with such a determined DH who would even dream of putting us through this I could have cried. This went on for about a year. Now I get accused of being so 'lucky'🙄
Self employment is not for the faint hearted. If it's successful & there's no guarantee, you will look back & think it was really worth it. I wouldn't change a thing & would definitely do it all again.

I should add my DH became redundant when I was in the hospital having had a c/s which led him to creating his own business & it grew & grew. The initial worry was indescribable but we got there. I wish you all the best going forward.

OP is not married, there is no good reason for her and her parents to invest in supporting his failing business, of which they would have no ownership of.

sixtyandfabulousofcourse · 03/03/2025 11:59

ring the citizen advice bureau or the debt advice line for immediate advice.
if you need food go to the food bank
send him packing he and his family sound like wasters
if you cannot get anyone to support you and believe me I would if you are by me give him a date line to leave get over the ELC then its goodbye time
no man should put this on a partner who is about to have a baby especially major surgery too

LookItsMeAgain · 03/03/2025 11:57

Onedayaway · 02/03/2025 20:08

@sageGreen81 I agree. However he refuses to accept this and his family back him. Don't get me wrong, I know if the job was to take off he would earn more than he could working for someone else. However that is a long while off and in the meantime we are struggling. And again, I feel he is completely out of order and selfish for the timing. His counter arguement to this was that there "is never a right timing" which sure, can be true. But surely when you know you are expecting another child it's just the worst timing possible?! Sometimes talking to dp is head banging because there is just no getting through to him and it does not help that his parents always refuse to acknowledge his mistakes and instead will say things like "but he has good intentions and he is doing this for your family"

Let his family cover the gap in his/your finances then. All of it!

If they back him, they must back his ideas and those ideas come at a cost. Let them put their money where their mouths are.

He can do his pet projects at their places going forwards because he is no longer welcome to do them where you and the kids will be.

POSTC123 · 03/03/2025 11:56

Honestly this is a problem. But right now just forget about it and try to enjoy your first moments with LO.

I don't know if this is your first C or not but it's tough so just focus on that and enjoy these first two weeks as best you can focusing on recovery.

Goodluck 🥰

LookItsMeAgain · 03/03/2025 11:54

CanOfMangoTango · 02/03/2025 19:52

I would honestly consider this the end of the relationship.

He has let you down big time. Sorry OP.

A million percent this.

If this is what he is like before you have a child, just picture the scene when you might have two or three kids and they are waiting for Daddy to be there for them and time and time again he isn't.

I can see that you've called him your DP and not DH. You should be able to extricate yourself from this relationship without too much upheaval to you both. It does leave you in a situation where you have a new baby and all of the responsibilities that entails but better a baby that you can show how to behave as they grow up than an adult who has no grasp on adult responsibilities whatsoever.

pikkumyy77 · 03/03/2025 11:53

Shetlands · 03/03/2025 10:34

When you receive the money from your parents, please don't put it in a joint account. The only security you'll have this month for food & nappies is that money so please guard it ferociously! Thinking of you today and wishing you didn't have all this worry on your mind. xx

Right. He is always going to rob Peter to pay Paul. He doesn’t have the sense to handle money. If you borrow from your parents it can not go into his hands. He will blow it or, worse, pay back his parents with it.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 03/03/2025 11:43

Onedayaway · 03/03/2025 10:41

And this is why, when researching about starting up any business, they always say you need at least y months minimum of savings. So if these things do happen it's not the difference between being able to afford food or not.

I'm well aware this could pay off for the future, I don't dispute it. My problem lies in the timing of him going down this road. I don't think it's selfish for him to start his own business, I think it's selfish of him to start his own business when we were expecting knowing we had no money to cushion a fall.

To be honest, I would be very surprised if it does pay off in the future as he appears to have very little business acumen. Succeeding in business is not just about being good at whatever the service is that you offer. He's already severely damaged his reputation by messing up this big job. While you might get away with a misstep if you are established, you definitely won't at the early stages.

You need to get through this month or so but I think you need to have a serious talk with him about where his skills lie. Maybe going back in to full time employment while he learns the skills necessary to run his own business doing courses or availing of whatever help and supports are out there would be the best approach.He can always start doing small jobs at the weekend to build up to going out on his own while learning those skills.

Best of luck with the CS and your new arrival. You really don't deserve this at the moment.

skyeisthelimit · 03/03/2025 11:40

the timing was definitely wrong, you don't set up a new business when you have a baby on the way. he should have saved for a couple of years, until DC2 a bit older and then branched out on his own.

I can see why you are worried and he should have been more sensible.

I left a 20 year job with a good salary, pension, holiday etc, to set up on my own to work around DD's nursery hours, with XH's blessing, and then 12 months later XH walked out suddenly, so there I was, working part time hours, with no holiday pay, no sick pay, no guaranteed income. I would never have left the job security had I know what was coming. 13 years on I have a successful business that has enabled me to work around DD, but for a while it was really hard work.

so I do sympathise. I hope that he manages to find work, and also make a success of his own business over time

Lostinawood · 03/03/2025 11:12

JANEY205 · 03/03/2025 11:01

Seriously not OPs problem! My own husband is ASD and also not a raging cunt. Not fair to excuse such selfish behaviour.

Sorry, where was I excusing it???

I didn't excuse it.

I was saying it may be behind his behaviour.

If so, that makes things worse not better. It means he is less likely to learn form his mistakes and more likely to repeat them.

Fucking sick of the narrative both that autism is an excuse and, alternatively and conflictingly, that any awful implications of the ND for spouses is nothing at all to do with the autism but is just to do with him (or her) 'being a cunt' ( to use your language). Both of these arguments are utter bollocks.

Onedayaway · 03/03/2025 11:09

Thanks for the kind messages for the delivery X really trying to not let this be another added stress factor but I'm finding it very overwhelming

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Helpmetogetoverthis · 03/03/2025 11:05

He needs to finish up these jobs and go back to a stable job ASAP.

As a practical step, can you apply to Universal Credit in the meantime?

JANEY205 · 03/03/2025 11:01

Lostinawood · 03/03/2025 10:55

Is there any possibility he could be autistic too? This behaviour is very similar to my autistic Ex. He actually did similar around the time I had my second child.

Behaviour was similar, single minded focus on setting up new business, not discussing it, dismissing any concerns, but also not able to the think and plan through what was needed in a realistic way, not able to think through the consequences if it did not work out, then full of self pity and moping when it crashed around his arse.

Seriously not OPs problem! My own husband is ASD and also not a raging cunt. Not fair to excuse such selfish behaviour.

JANEY205 · 03/03/2025 11:00

Dp has gone into feeling sorry for himself mode, so there will be no talking to him there and if I do I must tread lightly otherwise I risk him shutting down completely.

This is OUTRAGEOUS! Time for you to get angry for you and your kids OP! WTF? He would have got paid paternity if he was still in paid employment. He is a selfish arsehole that has added so much needless worry to you and put you all in debt. He’s ruined your delivery and postpartum with this. He’s a twat and I’d be calling my parents and telling them all of this and getting support for myself and my kids. I’d also be telling him I want him gone until he’s looking for paid employment. Who gives a fuck if he sulks, he’s a selfish arsehole. I’d struggle to ever forgive this.

Lostinawood · 03/03/2025 10:55

Is there any possibility he could be autistic too? This behaviour is very similar to my autistic Ex. He actually did similar around the time I had my second child.

Behaviour was similar, single minded focus on setting up new business, not discussing it, dismissing any concerns, but also not able to the think and plan through what was needed in a realistic way, not able to think through the consequences if it did not work out, then full of self pity and moping when it crashed around his arse.

Nonrienderien · 03/03/2025 10:54

Onedayaway · 03/03/2025 10:39

@Nonrienderien it's not even necessarily the lack of paternity leave that I'm mad about it.

It's the fact that it's left us no money for the month to get by.

Apologies for not mentioning the financial side. I assumed given you mentioned you were able to borrow money from family this initial gap was sorted. I remember the days we had to borrow money, sell bikes etc anything to get us through the tough days. If people asked me how I coped with such a determined DH who would even dream of putting us through this I could have cried. This went on for about a year. Now I get accused of being so 'lucky'🙄
Self employment is not for the faint hearted. If it's successful & there's no guarantee, you will look back & think it was really worth it. I wouldn't change a thing & would definitely do it all again.

I should add my DH became redundant when I was in the hospital having had a c/s which led him to creating his own business & it grew & grew. The initial worry was indescribable but we got there. I wish you all the best going forward.

Lostinawood · 03/03/2025 10:49

CanOfMangoTango · 02/03/2025 19:52

I would honestly consider this the end of the relationship.

He has let you down big time. Sorry OP.

I agree with this.

The man is a feckless idiot.

More than that, you are married. Big life decisions are made together. Instead he emotionally guilted you and then rail roaded you into going down a high risk path at a very vulnerable time in your life (young children).

He has now destroyed his reputation before his business gets off the ground by fucking his clients over by taking on work he cannot finish.

What a fool.

If he can't meet his bills I presume he will have to declare bankruptcy?

You need to see what you can claim in benefits and try to increase your own working hours as soon as you can, and try to develop your own career to increase your own earning potential.

On a plus note, please don't worry about the ELC. I have had two C-sections and they are such an nice, easy civilised way to have a baby.

Onedayaway · 03/03/2025 10:41

And this is why, when researching about starting up any business, they always say you need at least y months minimum of savings. So if these things do happen it's not the difference between being able to afford food or not.

I'm well aware this could pay off for the future, I don't dispute it. My problem lies in the timing of him going down this road. I don't think it's selfish for him to start his own business, I think it's selfish of him to start his own business when we were expecting knowing we had no money to cushion a fall.

OP posts:
Onedayaway · 03/03/2025 10:39

@Nonrienderien it's not even necessarily the lack of paternity leave that I'm mad about it.

It's the fact that it's left us no money for the month to get by.

OP posts:
Nonrienderien · 03/03/2025 10:35

Although I feel your pain OP in the days not that long ago when there was no such thing as paternity leave we just struggled on. It was exhausting but we coped. My DH eventually became self employed & the majority of child care was my role while he built his business. It felt like a sacrifice worth taking when he grew the business enough to employ help which allowed him more time at home with the children allowing me to go back to work part time. I agree with your DH. If you want the privilege of extra money gained in a successful business it involves sacrifices, especially at the beginning.

Shetlands · 03/03/2025 10:34

When you receive the money from your parents, please don't put it in a joint account. The only security you'll have this month for food & nappies is that money so please guard it ferociously! Thinking of you today and wishing you didn't have all this worry on your mind. xx

PoltergeistsStartLowKey · 03/03/2025 10:26

Stay with him and this is your life forever OP.

That is all.

skyeisthelimit · 03/03/2025 10:05

Onedayaway · 03/03/2025 09:57

@skyeisthelimit he does this. He gets an initial deposit, and then installments throughout until the final payment.

From what I gather dp had to use the money to buy tools specifically needed for this job that has set him back financially. Either way it is his fault and not the clients. I told him he to always overcharge then if anything give the difference back at the end, rather than under and put yourself in this predicament.

ok, so he does have an idea then, but it sounds like he did not set himself up properly, as he should have had all the necessary equipment before starting, or enough funds to buy what he needed as he went along. He should have saved money, or taken a small business loan etc, to ensure that he had a buffer fund when he started up.

Ongoing, it sounds like he needs to get the work that he can, using the tools that he has, work for his old boss in quiet periods, and save as much as he can, after family costs, to get new tools etc to take on bigger jobs.