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AIBU or is Brother being a Billy big balls?

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NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 22:45

DF has a significant birthday much later this year, late October..DB contacted me to ask if I'd go in on a weekend stay for DF and DM somewhere as gift. I didn't reply immediately, got a sarky tumbleweed gif 16 hours later. Responded with 'sounds good'. I didn't commit, I basically had a million and one other things in my mind, not a birthday 8 months away.
He went ahead and booked it, nowt to pay until a week before, so free cancellation. But it's £440.
Now, we are higher earners than DB and his wife, but, live in a much more expensive part of the country, huge mortgage, we have two teens, they're child free. We all grew up poor, so whilst we are still budget supermarket shoppers and have one crappy car, we have one nice holiday w eye couple of years and don't have to worry about bills. We are in a much better position than many, but we are still careful, but for the grace of god and all that.
We don't spend money like that on birthdays. Nor do my parents. They gave me £50 fory 40th.
I said I'd need to speak to DH. DB immediately started messaging that it shouldn't be a problem, I had months to save and they spent £300 on one night for DM's last big birthday etc.
He was unquestionably rude.
I have a very strained but civil relationship with my parents. He is geographically and emotionally much closer. I moved out a few weeks after my 18th, moved country and never went back to live. He lived with them until he was 32. Largely rent free. I get why he wants to spoil them. Although he really doesn't have the money.
We value time and experiences together over money. He is about what looks good on Instagram primarily.
I left it as no rush, we will consider it. He has now, 2 days later, said don't worry if you're going to be petty, we will pay for the whole stay. I replied saying probably for the best. We will sort something else. Not to mention, if we visit, we have to pay for plane tickets, hire car, airport parking and dog boarding before we even get there.
He clearly thinks I'm pathetic and tight.

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arcticpandas · 02/03/2025 08:34

So to recapitulate you said "sounds good" to brother which he and any reasonable person would take for a yes. Why didn't you just say "no, I'm doing something separately " if you knew you didn't want to go ahead and pay?

200 for a significant birthday sounds reasonable and your brother knows you're wealthier than he is so he wouldn't think that was a problem for you. I do think you're being tight and that you should pay up since you initially agreed to it. Let this be your lesson about communication for the future.

PullTheBricksDown · 02/03/2025 08:31

Outwardly DB thinks we are loaded

This seems to be at the root of it. Or certainly that he thinks you should be happy to spend more than you are. I'm also one of those wondering what you expected to spend for a weekend stay. I know you've said it can be done but it sounds a bit 'if you book the cheapest room in this place for a Monday night when they're doing building works'. I also think given he'd booked something cancellable without paying anything, that was OK - people do this all the time. You've now said it's not for you, so it's resolved and it doesn't sound like you're that close to him anyway.

DDivaStar · 02/03/2025 08:30

I can see why you don't want to spend loads from your update on your relationship with your parents.

So you shouldn't have said yes when he asked. You surely didn't expect him to get a night in a Premier Inn as a present.

ProfessionalPirate · 02/03/2025 08:27

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:00

Fair point. I think I have somehow over and under explained.
Am I being tight? Is it normal to spend £££ on parents birthdays rather than give a smaller, hopefully thoughtful gift, if technically you COULD afford it?

It would be normal in my family yes, especially for a ‘big’ birthday. But if it’s not in yours then that’s not really relevant. The reasons you’ve given for not wanting to spend that much sound fair.

I think you could have been a bit clearer with your brother when he first asked you about it. But it was quite high handed of him to go ahead and book without confirming with you first.

rookiemere · 02/03/2025 08:27

It's poor communication all round here.

Ideally you would have responded something like "That's a nice idea DB, but I'm thinking we will visit them this year which is expensive because of the flights therefore I can contribute max £100/or count me out."

Instead you said "that's good" and expected your DB to be a mind reader. I would have thought the tumble weed gif was jokey. It is frustrating when you try to organise something if people don't respond.

Hwi · 02/03/2025 08:24

Some threads leave a seriously unpleasant feeling, and this is one of them. I can't put my finger on it, but this is the impression I get.

CremeBruhlee · 02/03/2025 08:20

I think you need to take all of the emotion and excuses out of this on both sides. He suggested it, you said yes, £220 each is affordable for you (and most responses think not excessive for a gift for a special birthday). It sounds special enough that your father would enjoy the gesture (and hopefully the trip). Sorry but you are adding conflict for no good reason in my opinion. Your brother lives closer and there will be bigger fish to fry as your parents age. All of your angles seem a little petty (sorry!) and he reached out and organised (while you didn’t reply, excuses but ‘in the shop’ really). He may totally be a dick but if you want the upper hand in this type of argument you have to be spotless I’m afraid. If you want to be more arm’s length then you can’t pick these battles as you won’t win. Your poor dad. Unless there’s a backstory wouldn’t he be happy you had ‘chosen together’ and shown this gesture? Note - all of this is because you compared it to buying fancy shoes and can afford it. Opinion would be different if you couldn’t xx

Angelik · 02/03/2025 08:16

Wow! Can't believe how yabu blaming the OP for not being clearer when she originally agreed. The onus is then on the brother to investigate and come back with suggestions. There's no way he shld commit someone else's money without confirming. Also, I think not replying immediately is an issue either. People have got to used to instant attention - selfish and entitled!

PrivacyScreen · 02/03/2025 08:15

440 for two nights, divided between two people, for a big birthday sounds fine to me but these things are very relatively I know. We have done similar in my family.

RedHelenB · 02/03/2025 08:15

I think you are being tight OP , it doesn't seem much money to me given you can afford it.

Notjustabrunette · 02/03/2025 08:15

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:00

Fair point. I think I have somehow over and under explained.
Am I being tight? Is it normal to spend £££ on parents birthdays rather than give a smaller, hopefully thoughtful gift, if technically you COULD afford it?

I would spend this on my parents. BUT, I have a great relationship with them and they have been super helpful with helping to look after my kids etc. We’re not comparing apples with apples here.

Princessfluffy · 02/03/2025 08:15

I imagine your parents would far rather spend time with you than receive a gift. Especially as you live in another country and presumably they don't see you much.

If you don't want to do that because the relationship isn't great then that's fine.

I do think that it would have been a lot fairer to have said no from the beginning since it seems that there was never any possibility that you would agree to this.

PrivacyScreen · 02/03/2025 08:13

hideawayforever · 01/03/2025 23:02

When you said to your brother "sounds good' he probably took it that you agreed to go halves....
I would have done too. so yabu for now saying no.

I also would think you had agreed

farmlife2 · 02/03/2025 08:10

He's not unreasonable to want an answer so he can go ahead and book. Bookings for a party that size will need to be done well in advance. You're not unreasonable to decline if you don't want to go. Just give him a clear answer one way or other.

Pumpkincozynights · 02/03/2025 07:59

From your initial post it reads to me as if you agreed to go halves.
Then you have told your brother you will buy your parents something else, and don’t want to contribute to his idea.
My thoughts are: if he has had lived rent free for 32 then he can stump up all the money.
You say your parents gave you £50 for your significant birthday so I would be the same as you and not want to pay£220 towards this. To make it clear, I don’t calculate how much money my parents signs in me and spend the same in them but I don’t have a strained relationship with them.
I think what anyone else chooses to spend on birthdays is irrelevant here.
You don’t have a great relationship with either your brother or parents so just buy your own gift and leave him to it.

rookiemere · 02/03/2025 07:58

Ok to answer your actual question £220 a night for a nice hotel is not a ridiculous amount, plus it possibly included an evening meal.

You say you could get the same hotel for less, I'm good at looking around for bargains DH less so. In which case you could have messaged "Oh look I can get hotel fancy pants for £400 for two nights, do you want to cancel your booking and I will book from this site".

BitOutOfPractice · 02/03/2025 07:56

I think this situation is of your own making with your poor communication.

But it’s not really about this present is it? It’s about how you feel about your family.

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:53

Autumn38 · 02/03/2025 07:52

Hang on! So your contribution would be £200 not £400???? How much did you reasonably think a nice weekend stay away would be??? You said ‘sounds good’ - you did agree to it.

you are definitely the unreasonable one here. I can’t see anything your brother did wrong.

Not a weekend. Dates are mid week. That DOES make a difference. One hotel I looked at was £199 mid week (the dates DM gave) v £500 for two nights at the weekend

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Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:53

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:47

Bingo

So then YABU for telling him sounds good, you basically said yes. If you wanted to know a price first you should have asked roughly what he was thinking. If you don’t want to do it because you just don’t want to you should of said no, not sounds good

Autumn38 · 02/03/2025 07:52

NomadicEthusiasm · 01/03/2025 23:09

I take the point that I caused the confusion. That is fair. I obviously don't want to post the exact message he sent.
I also haven't given context to the kind of person he is. Our relationship is strained. I know it's not me, long story based on how our entire family attended/didn't attend his wedding a while back.
I should have been clearer in my response.
But the question I'm asking really is, AIBU for not wanting to spend £220 on a birthday. But I guess that is entirely subjective. So this is a pointless thread
I find it very difficult to distill all the salient points without it being a massive ramble. I guess I need to stop asking!

Hang on! So your contribution would be £200 not £400???? How much did you reasonably think a nice weekend stay away would be??? You said ‘sounds good’ - you did agree to it.

you are definitely the unreasonable one here. I can’t see anything your brother did wrong.

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:47

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:47

Clearly they don’t all cost the same if this one is more expensive than you’d thought it would be

Bingo

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Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:47

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:41

Yes, because all hotel breaks cost the same...

Clearly they don’t all cost the same if this one is more expensive than you’d thought it would be

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:45

0ohLarLar · 02/03/2025 07:30

, £440 is not extortionate for a few days away in a nice hotel for 2 people.

Agree... Where are all these decent hotels that aren't at least this? Tbh i was think 440 for two nights is pretty cheap. You can pay hundreds per night for a nice spa hotel etc.

Edited

To some though that would be extortionate, just because one person doesn’t find it expensive doesn’t mean to say it’s not expensive for someone else

polinkhausive · 02/03/2025 07:42

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:40

I should have. But in my defence, as I've said multiple times, I tried to call him. He declined as he didn't want to wake his dog
The next move was 'i booked X it's this much'
Did he not get that my call was to discuss it properly?

Well no he didn't, because he isn't telepathic

If you had messaged him to say that, he might have done though?

NomadicEthusiasm · 02/03/2025 07:41

Coconutter24 · 02/03/2025 07:39

No body has told OP how to spend her money though. She was asked and said sounds good, so she agreed then realised she didn’t want to so said no.

Yes, because all hotel breaks cost the same...

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