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To think that funding free breakfast clubs is wrong-headed?

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WaahWaahWinston · 01/03/2025 13:44

Government is to fund free breakfast clubs for all primary school children. This doesn't strike me as the best use of money for schools; I imagine there are better things to spend money on that would be of greater educational benefit to children.

It may help a tiny proportion of families but breakfast is probably the easiest and cheapest meal for families to provide to children. (I doubt breakfast clubs will be providing full English or other cooked breakfasts of the sort that one could argue families are hard-pushed to provide.)

So I don't see the compelling need. Why spend money on this of all things, when there must be other improvements that could be funded which would improve education specifically?

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sunflowersandtwinklylights · 01/03/2025 14:04

I'm a reception teacher and I'm pro this. Children do not learn as well as they could if they come into school hungry. You'd be surprised how many children come in without having breakfast, too. Older children may be able to help themselves to breakfast at home, but the younger ones most likely don't.
And an extra half an hour of teaching would be pointless if the children you are teaching are more focussed on the rumble in their tummies.

Smartiepants79 · 01/03/2025 14:03

Maitri108 · 01/03/2025 13:56

A third of children are in poverty and there's little assistance for struggling parents. I knew a little girl whose mum gave her a coke and packet of crisps for breakfast.

In some areas children go through the day hungry and they can't focus. It's a sticking plaster.

And that coke and crisps would have cost more than some toast and a cup of milk. That’s not about money that’s about laziness ( for whatever reasons) and ignorance.
As a teacher I have no issue with the concept but, as per usual, no ones actually providing the money to pay for it. Most places won’t be able to provide it.

TickingAlongNicely · 01/03/2025 14:03

If it was funded properly it would be a good scheme.

But its another scheme not properly funded.

Breakfast club cost £2.50 at local primary school. Covering staff and food not profit. If the funding is really 63p a day... whete is the rest of the costs coming from?

Octavia64 · 01/03/2025 14:02

Most people who work in education have seen a hungry child who didn't have breakfast.

Sometimes because they won't eat breakfast. But mostly just hungry. I used to feed the kids in my class.

Sure, breakfast food is cheap. There's still a lot of hungry kids out there.

MrsJHernandez · 01/03/2025 14:02

Maitri108 · 01/03/2025 13:56

A third of children are in poverty and there's little assistance for struggling parents. I knew a little girl whose mum gave her a coke and packet of crisps for breakfast.

In some areas children go through the day hungry and they can't focus. It's a sticking plaster.

Coke and a packet of crisps doesn't strike me as poverty, but as extremely careless, thoughtless and lazy parenting. These are the sorts of idiots who shouldn't have kids!

NImumconfused · 01/03/2025 14:01

Maitri108 · 01/03/2025 13:56

A third of children are in poverty and there's little assistance for struggling parents. I knew a little girl whose mum gave her a coke and packet of crisps for breakfast.

In some areas children go through the day hungry and they can't focus. It's a sticking plaster.

But coke and a packet of crisps isn't cheaper that toast and milk, is it? That's neglect/ignorance rather than poverty. That's not to say those parents don't need help, but that it's not just about not being able to afford food.

ShelfyElfy25 · 01/03/2025 14:01

Maitri108 · 01/03/2025 13:56

A third of children are in poverty and there's little assistance for struggling parents. I knew a little girl whose mum gave her a coke and packet of crisps for breakfast.

In some areas children go through the day hungry and they can't focus. It's a sticking plaster.

Is that because they couldn't afford the breakfast though or because the parent was neglectful? A bag of crisps and a bottle of coke every morning probably costs more than a loaf of bread, cereal and milk for the week?

WaahWaahWinston · 01/03/2025 14:00

@Maitri108 is a can of coke and packet of crisps much (if at all) cheaper than a tea bag, a couple of slices of toast and a banana?

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Totototo · 01/03/2025 14:00

It is probably to get benefit Mums in the job market without the excuse of children’s starting times being a hindrance. I expect many benefit sanctions to follow too, which ironically could make the food poverty much worse. However, I still think free breakfast clubs are a good idea the model works in many countries abroad.

Sparsely · 01/03/2025 14:00

I think it's a nudge to getting mothers back to work and getting the economy going. And if it helps children who need feeding and helping them concentrate on lessons, so much the better and there's no stigma because it's open to all. Great policy.

JasperTheDoll · 01/03/2025 14:00

IDontDrinkTea · 01/03/2025 13:49

Call me suspicious, but I suspect it’s more about getting mothers back into work than it is about hungry children. If you can drop children at breakfast club at 8, then you can easily be at work somewhere for 9… which is much easier than finding a job that’ll let you start after dropping the kids off at 8:45.

It's only 30 minutes free so if your child starts at 08:45 then it's only from 08:15. I can't see any private or current paid school ones panicking over this as people who pay in excess of £6 a session for drop off at 07:30 won't be taking up the offer of a free 30 minutes.

ShelfyElfy25 · 01/03/2025 13:59

If the reason the children are hungry is because they're living in poverty or social deprivation then will their parents take them to the breakfast clubs?

Mere1 · 01/03/2025 13:58

Totototo · 01/03/2025 13:47

Have you ever lived, worked or known children who turn up to school hungry?

Learning in the morning is impossible if you are hungry. Hunger can make children more disruptive too because they are uncomfortable.

It is probably less expensive doing it for every child rather than having administrative tasks identifying those in need.

Personally, I am happy for it. Thankfully, my DC went to school abroad for their early years and this was provided free of charge to all children.

I have taught fast growing teenagers whose families could not afford breakfast. They were allowed a ‘free’ lunch. I think means testing is expensive. Children need food and eating together is sociable.

NancyBellaDonna · 01/03/2025 13:57

Gad not another mean-spirited poster banging on about sending money on child poverty.

WaahWaahWinston · 01/03/2025 13:57

Well if it's not about food and hunger (which I struggle to believe that it is, given that bread and bananas and cereal are not the most expensive foods by any stretch), then I wish they would be honest with us about what it's about.

It's only by being honest with us what policies are about that people can have a proper debate / understanding about the pros and cons of said policy or form a view on the wisdom of money being spent in a particular way.

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grafittiartist · 01/03/2025 13:57

I'm happy that we are feeding children.

Maitri108 · 01/03/2025 13:56

A third of children are in poverty and there's little assistance for struggling parents. I knew a little girl whose mum gave her a coke and packet of crisps for breakfast.

In some areas children go through the day hungry and they can't focus. It's a sticking plaster.

sometimesmovingforwards · 01/03/2025 13:56

IDontDrinkTea · 01/03/2025 13:49

Call me suspicious, but I suspect it’s more about getting mothers back into work than it is about hungry children. If you can drop children at breakfast club at 8, then you can easily be at work somewhere for 9… which is much easier than finding a job that’ll let you start after dropping the kids off at 8:45.

And you’d be correct in your suspicions.

MagicPharmacist · 01/03/2025 13:56

Orphan Crushing Machine.

Venicelagoon · 01/03/2025 13:54

I completely agree with you. As I understand it the breakfast consists of cereals which companies like Kelloggs may provide the school with for free, and toast which has to be done by someone who volunteers to help to do all this. I used to do a temporary job in a primary school allocating all the fruit to all classrooms. The fruit was great quality but mainly not eaten by the children.

LuckysDadsHat · 01/03/2025 13:54

MiserableMrsMopp · 01/03/2025 13:52

Exactly.

It's like they don't care that some children go to school hungry.

I think schools very much care that children go to school hungry, but with the funding the government have given for this, the numbers don't add up for a lot of schools! Especially with the way the tories decimated school funding. They are struggling so much already. To then have to fund some of the breakfast club costs as the government don't pay enough (the same with early years funded hours) it will break the schools completely.

SmileEachDay · 01/03/2025 13:54

If it’s free for everyone, it’s much, much more likely to be taken up by those who need it - there’s still stigma attached to poverty.

Children who are hungry cannot learn or play.

daffodilandtulip · 01/03/2025 13:53

It's not about hungry children. It's about getting kids in school and getting mothers in work.

And like everything they do for kids, it's woefully underfunded already.

civetcat · 01/03/2025 13:53

I once worked for a local authority that provided cheap (not free) breakfast clubs. It was promoted as a way to address poverty and help working parents. However, its main intentions were to improve education by getting children to start school on time and to attend school in the first place – but this was kept quiet.

MiserableMrsMopp · 01/03/2025 13:52

Donttellempike · 01/03/2025 13:50

Alleviating child poverty is investing for the future and saves money in the long run. As any fool knows

Getting heartily sick of these poverty baiting posts.

Exactly.

It's like they don't care that some children go to school hungry.