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To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

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Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 12:54

After yesterday's news, Britain shouldn't be the one funding war as USA has said they are out now. There's no chance Britain can fight this war alone with Ukraine against Russia.
Since this war started, our life has only become miserable with CoL increase.
AIBU to think we shouldn't have anything to do this war and we should fix our own problems first before giving away our tax money?

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HelplessSoul · 01/03/2025 21:16

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Well, @MNHQ will happily disprove your comments.

Nice try though.

Offering a different opinion isnt a crime.

I wonder if I could freely speak my mind in say, Ukraine if I declined to be a conscript for Zelenskys war?

Hmmm....

juldan · 01/03/2025 21:15

HelplessSoul · 01/03/2025 21:11

I never claimed that you said they were in the EU.

Do try and read what I wrote before responding.

As said, Ukraine would never do for UK citizens, what the UK has done for theirs.

And if you (and others) want to support Ukraine so much - go right ahead and send your loved ones to the front lines to help out.

But none of you will - you're all talk.

Why did you need to mention that Ukraine is not in the UE then? How was it relevant in the context of my post?
And how do you know Ukraine would never help UK citizens? Did your crystal ball tell you that?

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 21:15

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So, anyone shouldn't be able to discuss their point of view if it's different to you? I think US needs to liberate UK first and get us our freedom of speech back.

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Pigwodgeon · 01/03/2025 21:15

@Foodtimeisit You are trying to simplify a very complex issue. If the uk chooses to only focus on itself, it does not mean the hostile countries just leave us alone. World politics are complicated, volutile and require very careful balancing and diplomacy. Everyone needs to choose a side. And usually countries that share similar values stick together to keep away the ideologies that we don't want to live by. The US is changing its values under Trump. It is becoming a dictatorship. Just like Russia and China. So if Europe wants to keep its democracy going, it has to stick together. Closing your eyes from massive issues, does not make them go away. Unfortunately.

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 21:14

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What do you mean by bot? Do you think I am an AI responding to you?

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WanderingDreamingSpires · 01/03/2025 21:13

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EasternEcho · 01/03/2025 21:13

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Huh? Zelensky started the war, Zelensky is a dictator. You do memorize the lines from Trump well.

ExIssues · 01/03/2025 21:12

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 21:00

We simply need to prioritise our British people first over any one else or any other cause.

But don't you see that the fate of the British people is unavoidably linked to what happens to Ukraine? No one is helping them out of the goodness of their heart. It's purely selfish. Russia is a threat to the UK too. Look at Reform - which is a Russian backed populist right wing party.

LongDarkTeatime · 01/03/2025 21:11

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 20:54

With the £2.6 billion loan, I hope people understand that it's never coming back and it would be a deficit which us and our children will be paying by their taxes to fill and many years to come. We are in no state to keep funding this never ending war.

You mean a bit like the billions in tax breaks we give to huge profit-making multinationals like Amazon and BP? This goes on year after year after year after year …

HelplessSoul · 01/03/2025 21:11

juldan · 01/03/2025 21:08

@HelplessSoul
Sorry?
When did I say Ukraine was in the EU?
Ukraine is the second largest country in EUROPE. You know, that continent which is located to the West from Asia?

No, we should not stop helping Ukraine because independent Ukraine is crucial to preserving the independence of other European countries.

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I never claimed that you said they were in the EU.

Do try and read what I wrote before responding.

As said, Ukraine would never do for UK citizens, what the UK has done for theirs.

And if you (and others) want to support Ukraine so much - go right ahead and send your loved ones to the front lines to help out.

But none of you will - you're all talk.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 01/03/2025 21:10

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You’ve really overegged the pudding there

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 21:10

Zelensky is forcing UK and other countries to keep funding his war. It's his war more than anything. If it was about Poland or any other country, we should have seen the intention already but it's not about it. We need to define how long are we going to keep funding wars and destroy other countries. We have already seen what our forces did to Afghanistan and Iraq, just devastation and refugees.

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juldan · 01/03/2025 21:08

HelplessSoul · 01/03/2025 20:34

Ukraine is not in the EU.

Ukraine would never do for UK citizens, what the UK has done for theirs.

The USA is right to want stop its taxypayer money on this war and likewise, we should stay out of it and not get involved.

We should stop supplying money, support and weapons - thats stuff the UK can use for ourselves.

@HelplessSoul
Sorry?
When did I say Ukraine was in the EU?
Ukraine is the second largest country in EUROPE. You know, that continent which is located to the West from Asia?

No, we should not stop helping Ukraine because independent Ukraine is crucial to preserving the independence of other European countries.

Lyannaa · 01/03/2025 21:07

@HelplessSoul
Zelensky started this war and now wants others to bankroll his misadventure as he continues to force people to die in an unwinnable war, all while remaining an unelected President that has outstayed his scheduled term in office.

Stop lying.

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 21:06

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 20:59

How does this money to fund war miraculously appears while there's no money to give pay rise to our nurses and emergency staff or the teachers?

The money has always been there, it has rightly been used as a bargaining chip against Russia. It has always been Russias money and now they are getting it back just in a more "material" form.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 01/03/2025 21:05

juldan · 01/03/2025 21:00

@Ilovelifeverymuch
No. Trump only cares about Trump. He doesn’t care about Ukrainians dying.
Ukraine already signed a treaty in 1994 when they agreed to give up their nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees. This was violated when Putin invaded Crimea in 2014.
If nobody stopped Putin then, who is going to stop him violating a new treaty?
Your mate Trump? Don’t think so.
Trump thinks he can carve a bit of Ukraine for himself (the minerals) and it is his only motivation. And in case you get confused again. By himself I mean him, his corrupt billionaire mates, MAGA hotshots, etc.

My mate 😂 😆 i wish lol

I'm just giving my view

TwinklyPearlPoster · 01/03/2025 21:05

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 20:55

NATO means as much as the Budapest memorandum now, so nothing.

I think Sweden and Finland would disagree given they have recently joined.

I would say NATO is going to stronger than ever as it members invest more to replace the capabilities previously provided by the US

ExIssues · 01/03/2025 21:04

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Erm what? Is that you trump?

Sometimeswinning · 01/03/2025 21:03

kattaduck · 01/03/2025 20:55

NATO means as much as the Budapest memorandum now, so nothing.

Don’t be silly 😂

RaspberryVelvet · 01/03/2025 21:03

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 20:59

How does this money to fund war miraculously appears while there's no money to give pay rise to our nurses and emergency staff or the teachers?

There was no money until Labour came to power and the pay rises were then given. I for one am happy to pay taxes for this. The Conservative government would not negotiate, hence the strikes.

ExIssues · 01/03/2025 21:03

Rosesducks · 01/03/2025 19:00

Ah, the old ‘charity begins at home’ argument dressed up as pragmatism but dripping with short-sightedness.

Let’s get something straight: isolationism is a luxury, one that expires the moment a real threat comes knocking at your door. You think foreign conflicts don’t concern you?

That Eastern Europe’s struggles are their problem alone? Tell me, what happens when a precedent is set that borders don’t matter, that might makes right? Do you think Russia stops at Ukraine? Do you think China isn’t watching?

War isn’t about sentiment; it’s about strategy. Supporting Ukraine isn’t just about helping a neighbour in need it’s about reinforcing the rules that keep the world from descending into chaos.

If we look the other way, we don’t just fail Ukraine; we invite the next invasion, the next dictatorship, the next crisis that we won’t have the luxury of ignoring.

As for resenting foreign aid resentment is a fine thing, but it won’t fill your gas tank when global instability drives prices through the roof. It won’t protect your economy when supply chains crumble because conflict spreads.

It won’t keep Britain safe when alliances weaken, and enemies grow bolder. You may not have ‘the capacity to care,’ but let me tell you when the consequences of inaction come knocking, you’ll wish you had cared a little sooner.

The world isn’t divided up neatly anymore. It never really was. If you refuse to engage beyond your own borders, don’t be surprised when the problems you ignored come marching right up to your doorstep.

Yes...also it's not only bombs dropping on Britain that we need to worry about. It's fuel, food, goods etc. Britain isn't self sufficient in anything and our politicians are more interested in reducing our food producing capability in the name of the environment that safeguarding it. If there's a big war it's going to mean extreme hardship even if we aren't directly involved. Much better to preserve the current world order than allow Russia and potentially China to become the leaders of the world

HelplessSoul · 01/03/2025 21:02

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BIossomtoes · 01/03/2025 21:01

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 20:59

How does this money to fund war miraculously appears while there's no money to give pay rise to our nurses and emergency staff or the teachers?

Because it’s not our money.

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2025 21:00

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 20:59

How does this money to fund war miraculously appears while there's no money to give pay rise to our nurses and emergency staff or the teachers?

Did you want the goverment to loan money to the NHS, schools?

Foodtimeisit · 01/03/2025 21:00

We simply need to prioritise our British people first over any one else or any other cause.

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