To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

Sure. The current US government is so pro free speech that it's banned the Associated Press and Reuters from the White House press conferences.

That's about 4 days of spending on the NHS. Your children are not going to be paying for it for many years. Fact check your statements.

Farage has no stamina. How many political parties has he founded and got tired of?

I haven't called you a bot nor have I tried to silence you. I have just asked for sources to yous ascerstion Ukraine wouldn't help the UK. If you put force an assumption you usually have sources to provide a background. At least that's what I'll do.

You said people on this thread can't be Russian bots but there has been clear misinformation. I just asked your position onthis no reason to flounce.
Running from an argument just because people don't agree with you isn't any better than what you have accused other posters of.

And unless somebody has actually physically yelled at or cut another poster of on this thread, no nobody is like Vance and Trump. That is just a fact.

Do we share values with Ukraine then? Aren't they typically very conservative, homophobic, xenophobic, religious? Not sure I share their values.

@HelplessSoul I agree the irony about the sheer bot madness on here v jd vance free speech!

I said universal healthcare. Read my response in the context of my response to OP's post.

I wonder if I could freely speak my mind in say, Ukraine if I declined to be a conscript for Zelenskys war?

Do you think our soldiers fighting in WW1 and WW2 were all volunteers?

No, I do not understand your weird reasoning at all.
Were you trying to say that Ukrainians are less worthy because they are not members of UE?
If so, the joke is on you- neither is UK.
Personally, I think that in your narrow minded head you misunderstood my post as to you, Europe means EU+UK. Now you are just trying to back pedal on that.

Well, I would not blame Ukrainians if they did not help you as a person, but I have a trust that they would stand up for other nations (including UK which is not in EU) if the roles were reversed.

We should have.

You prefer Russian style freedom of speech?

Nonsense. The US government spends far, far more than the U.K. government on healthcare, both in $ per person and as a % of GDP. Once you add in the costs shouldered by citizens and not covered by the government, the US system costs well over double what ours does per capita.

They haven’t prioritised spending money on defence over spending it on healthcare. They’ve chosen to spend huge amounts on healthcare in an incredibly inefficient way.

The trouble is, OP, that Russia will not stop at Ukraine.

Russia justifies what it is doing by saying that Ukraine was historically part of Russia.

On this basis Russia may also help itself to Latvia, Estonian, Lithuania, Finland and parts of Poland, all of which are in the EU and were once part of the Russian Empire and/or Soviet Union.

Even Alaska might be next.

Trump has shown he’s only up for whatever the USA can get out of it and that he isn’t interested in defending Europe.

He’s even displayed Russia-like tendencies in saying he wants to grab Greenland and Canada.

Remember, even in WW1 and WW2 they only got involved (and thank goodness they did) when American interests themselves were threatened, not out of some benevolent desire to protect Europe from Hitler.

What we need to do is draw our true friends closer (the EU, Australia, Canada, New Zealand) and, regrettable though it is, up
our defence spending.

We can’t send troops to Ukraine ourselves because that really would cause WW3 but we need to give them the tools to finish the war because the USA can’t be relied on now, sadly.

Well said blossom

But don't you see that the fate of the British people is unavoidably linked to what happens to Ukraine?

If this was true we would have helped them in 2014 when Crimea was annexed.

Best for me to take a step back and bow out I think.

As I said before, MNHQ can attest I am not a "bot", AI or any other such thing.

Very clear that the very people lambasting Trump/JDV for their position and being loud etc, are doing the very same thing here on this discussion because other people have a different view to theirs.

Pot, meet kettle.

Yet none of you Zelensky supporters will put any of your loved ones on the front line. Pure keyboard warriors only.

Reform is currently topping the UK polls. They will gain popularity with or without Russia’s (apparent) backing

The UK has too many fools then. Farage has spent more time sucking up to Trump than he has in Parliament and in his constituency. Does anybody seriously think Farage cares two figs about Clacton-on-Sea and imagine he has done anything to improve the lives of people there? Farage was aiming for a job in Trumps administration and then Musk burned his butt. Farage is on record as admiring Putin for gawds sake, not to mention their role in inciting street riots and discontent.

Huh?
The United States has the largest external debt in the world. The total amount of U.S. Treasury securities held by foreign entities in December 2021 was $7.7 trillion, up from $7.1 trillion in December 2020.Total US federal government debt breached the $30 trillion mark for the first time in history in February 2022.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States

And the US has voted time and time against Universal healthcare so don't blame that on Europe. Their citizens rightly or wrongly don't want to pay for it.

I don't understand the "he won't stop at Ukraine" arguments.

Ukraine isn't in nato and won't be in putin time.
We can't help Ukraine as much as we want too eg with air power and certain equipment because they are not in nato and we have to be careful.

Russia has endless bodies to chuck into this war from without and within. They are still selling oil around the globe and last time I checked to the eu??

Ukraine is fighting with one arm behind its back due to lack of power, people and nukes.
Stopping this war means putin doesn't get Ukraine, win.
He won't go after anywhere else because they are protected by nato.
If Russia hit any nato country, Estonia etc they will be be hit instantly? Why would putin increase his war footprint if he is struggling in Ukraine??

I don't believe for one moment Ukraine can win like this at all. But I believe they may have a chance to hold him back if they make the peace then get USA in.

If Putin isn't stopped we might not have a country never mind an NhS,

I hope you're right but why do you think this? Farage is a very persistent character. I think the only way reform will go is if the Tories move further right or amalgamate with them. Voters are unfortunately easily led and badly educated

It's not his war

His country was invaded by barbarians.

HTH

In any event polls are meaningless with an election over four years away. I suspect Reform may not even exist by the next election.

Tell me you know nothing about the US economy without saying you know nothing about US economy.