To think Britain should have nothing to do with this war

And I can’t believe that after 3 years there are people so informed or naive (or both) that you think our COL will be solved by stopping supporting Ukraine

Maybe pop over to Russia and have a chat with Putin.

Yep, all because the terrorists (Hamas) refused to return the hostages they took in October 2023. How many Palestinians could have been saved by Hamas just releasing the people they kidnapped back to their families? But instead they went to war sacrificing their ‘people’ for what? Nothing. Just ended up with a pile of rubble and 40k deaths. And stop trying to derail this thread by bringing Israel into it. Start your own thread…..

@Hwi
You are so ignorant. Do you think Putin cares about his people? How many has he got killed in his ‘special operation’? Do you think he is loyal to anybody? He’ll be happy kill anybody for the ‘greater good of Mother Russia”.

It’s a good job our forebears didn’t take that attitude in 1939 isn’t it.

Defending Europe is cheaper and safer in the long term than letting the Red Army march back to Berlin.
Putin could be ousted at any time, as everyone knows what a rubbish idea invading Ukraine was...he could fall out his window, and the guy who comes after might be more friendly.

Blimey Nigel, tone it down a bit, you sound quite racist.

It’s becoming increasingly apparent that Zelenskyy wants us to up our contribution to the war. Financial aid is no longer helping. He wants feet on the ground - wants us to provide human fodder for their war. How many on here baying for Russia to be destroyed would be happy with their sons, husbands, brothers going to fight in Ukraine? Not many I’ll bet. Financial aid can only help so far, but then you need actual foot soldiers. Money won’t buy soldiers, only finance weapons. Russia will win eventually without Europe providing people to fight for them.

And Israel have bombed the fuck out of millions of innocent Palestinians, killed over 40k of them and seem bent on genocide. So yeah, you’re right. Not quite the same thing.

Need to get people in work ... to many being paid to sit at home, or elsewhere doing nothing. I'm not talking about people who are really dusabled here!

I am not going to support the abandonment of Ukraine.

I sincerely hope all sides will find a landing strip, so we can avoid an escalation.

It's not just Britain and Ukraine against Russia, it's most of Europe.

And Trump ... a friend recently went to South Africa, very difficult to get Internet. Starlink?

You don’t seem to remember it correctly.
Italy didn’t become involved until June 1940 because Mussolini thought he could appease Hitler by being on his side. If you don’t know what happened to Mussolini then I suggest you look it up, it wasn’t good. Italy then declared war on Germany in 1943 and joined the allied armies.

The US repeatedly refused to help until 1940 but only supplied aid and not troops, but after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour in 1941 they declared war on Japan, and later on Germany. So in actual fact the Americans DID stand back and allow us to be bombed, for two years.

Oh and you’ve also forgotten that Russia was on our side. Stalin had also tried to appease Hitler and spoiler alert, it didn’t work, you can’t appease dictators.

Aye and Adolf only wanted Poland!

Sorry, then all those Palestinian children were killed by the non-terrorist ISL or whatever they are called?

Have you read the poem "First they came" by Pastor Martin Neimoller?

EE families in social housing doing the menial job fat lazy Brits won't do? OK. One child (conservative estimate) is 9K pa for a state school - 2008 data. If they have 2 kids - you calculate how much these costs the taxpayer, just to put them through school. And now let us speak about them 'paying taxes' - they don't even cover the cost of their offspring schooling! And then the social housing, top ups, credits or whatever they are, plus NHS services - great, isn't it?

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, so not quite tge same as one country at war with another.

You are being absolutely a d totally unreasonable abd deluded

Don't let Hwi bother you they clearly have a room temperature IQ

YANBU to think that now the US are pulling out, we should do the same. There's no point taking on Russia without American backing. It's bad for Ukraine, and will be bad for Poland, the Baltic states, Romania (ex-USSR in general to be honest), probably Germany and possibly Finland, but Russia can easily manage to bomb the UK out of existance. At best we could destroy Moscow in retaliation.

Pulling out now and allowing the Russian slaughter machine to move slowly westwards will at least buy us some time to build up our own armed forces and prepare the population for war. We need weapons and we need training (as civilians), we need to start building bunkers and fallout shelters. They may well not be enough but at least we'd have tried.

Best case scenario is Putin is statisfied once Russia has recovered the territory formerly occupied by the USSR. If that's the case, that's kind of a result for the West. Yes it's a shame for people who had hoped for a more stable world after the fall of communism, but if Russians don't want that to be the case, we can't change their minds.

The current administration in America would not piss on us if we were on fire

Also the French didn't let the Nazis walk through, they just didn't have much of an army to stop it. Once they were occupied they did everything in their power to disrupt the Nazis. Do you know how many people would have died if not but for the resistance,

Have you been watching how that's going?

I never said shit about my children "experiencing the world." They live where we live and work. Don't try to make me your straw man.

The "unfortunate abroad" (ew) do actually need the money to be got there and programs need to be administrated and carried out and checks and balances done and for that to be done UK workers do need to be there, sometimes. Wtf are you on about "leeching," you don't want aid to happen at all! Massive hypocrite.

I don't have a "brood." I have kids. Thanks.
I'm out anyway. I don't need either your ugly goady communications or your horrible selfishness raising my blood pressure any more.

If you are in fact professing to be a Christian, that's the most hilarious and tragic thing I've heard in a while.