Is this hourly rate too high?

😂😂😂

Again just proving you have no skill to trade in a private market(yet?) and that you're clearly not that highly sought after in your profession, which is why you earn less than people you think are less than you whether you think they deserve it or not...

Your framing of the issue is bizarre. We live in a capitalist society and she's evidently charging what the market will bear. That's not related to what your salary is. It could be, in some circumstances, like if the pool of potential customers was small enough to make it necessary. But it's not.

You really can’t compare the hourly rate of a self employed person to a PAYE.
As a PAYE employee, I get sick pay, guaranteed salary, generous pension contributions etc.
Trying to save for any kind of pension as a self employed person is really really difficult.

Also, there’s not really any such thing as a low/unskilled job. I’d have to be seriously trained up to be able to clean other peoples homes for payment. I say that as someone with two masters degrees. All jobs are important and skilled

We are in south wales , I pay £30 for an hour for two women to come in and do our three bathrooms , we were getting quotes of £65 for two hours one cleaner ( some only do a minimum two hours here )

I have been self employed most of my life so I see past the initial quote ,but also understand it’s about affordability and your own budget.

wage
tax
Ni
products
car
petrol
Sick
A/L
DBS
accounting / book keeping
uniform
Bank account fees ( most have business accounts )
replacement items that can break such as hoover

mobile phone contract
advertising

^^ these are the main I’m sure there’s a few other things . I think the thing you have to look at is that you want a job doing that you can’t / don’t have time to do so you have to look at it in that way.

I also understand the frustration of how much money someone has potentially put into themselves to train and receive education to get the higher wage .

cleaning is hard graft ( done it myself many years ago ) for us personally and our budget we couldn’t pay more than £20 a hour this isn’t to say they’re not worthy of it but just rat you can’t afford / justify it x

Trained and qualified for 5 years in agriculture, inc. cpd. It's usually paid nmw.

Id stand agriculture against any industry and profession you can name and tell you it is of vital importance to the nation.

If she has professional qualifications, surely it should be. Unskilled jobs always attract lower wages. It doesn’t mean the person is of lower value, or that the work isn’t valuable, but the deferred gratification of years at University and in training, combined with the limited number of people with that expertise is worth more money.

Cleaners also require;
Insurance
Accounting costs
Cleaning supplies (cost of livings gone up)
Petrol/transport
Covering the cost of generating sales, invoicing, admin time
Covering when theyre off sick or on holiday
If they have employees theyll be paying;
NI employer rates
Employer insurance
Payroll software cost
Expenses/mileage
Advertising, vetting, recruiting for staff

It's not cheap running a business, nor is it easy. Also, that's what she charges, maybe she's amazing, you don't have to pay it if you don't want to.... our cleaner charges £20ph, she just pays herself and her friend as a sole trader but still has to use her own time to work out all the payments required, send and chase invoices, drive to the shop to get all her supplies and restock, visiting homes to quote, advertising her services etc etc. I know her, she lives across the road and she is not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, rarely has a holiday (never abroad), has 3 kids in a 2 bed house and her husband works too. I don't begrudge a penny and pay a christmas bonus too, I don't think £25 is extortionate, it's a tough job and we clearly don't want to do it because we pay!

😂 keep your toys in the pram. It’s ok to get defensive when you realise they missed out the bit in training about not being the only highly qualified professionals in healthcare. Now you know and can move on from there (wait til you hear about the title … but that’s for another day my scatological friend)
Bye x

Yeah, how about no.

I'd rather have those hours back every week to reading a book, go out for a meal, be with friends or walking/cycling or any of the other things I earn a living to enjoy.

You're just making it really obvious why you don't have the skills to work in a private market. You may think your hairdresser is worth less than you but she can probably follow a conversation.

Sack your job off and become a cleaner then OP. Start with your house and you'll have saved money before you even get started.

exactly, this all refers to my profession. If you only know of medics who this can apply to, that’s your issue. So would you be a scatological medic then?

Sorry for assuming you were a medic or in the NHS which is why you posted such hyperbole bringing NHS specialists into it.

LongDarkTeatime · Yesterday 15:14

If you want to ague then let’s go with you way. So next time you see an NHS specialist, who you’ve waited 1yr+ to see is they’re so rare and and highly trained, and paying off huge student debt, and huge insurance incase anything goes wrong … remember to tell them they’re a fool to be vocational and to re-train as a hairdresser because you believe hairdressers deserve to earn more. Then tell them how you want them to care for you.. it’s the only honest and fair thing for you to do x

Nope, no medics in my account, I was referring to my profession. Only medics in your imagination 😁 Oh you are the sweetest to include a poo emoji. How lovely of you. Please don’t feel too bad tho everyone makes mistakes.

£12.50 an hour is very cheap! And just about minimum wage from April 2025. How much can she clean in 2 hours?

Shop around....sounds over priced

That’s very high … £15 is the norm here in Essex.

You always get people coming on these threads saying they pay their cleaners £30 an hour plus sick pay, holiday pay and bonus, who love to imply that anyone who doesn't is a tighrarsed exploiter. But the fact is you could get a cleaner for a lot less than you've been quoted, and they won't be crap either.

Hang on so cleaners and hairdressers charge too much since they're not as "highly trained" as you but we should all be paid equally? Make up your mind. Perhaps before you get worked up over people you perceive as less skilled as you earning a livable wage you can instead turn your angst at the people at the top who won't put your wages up. Bemoaning people who will clean your toilet or cut your hair earning a wage isn't it.

Also you brought the medical profession into it. For someone so highly skilled your reading comprehension is pretty 💩

How much do you get paid

My cleaner charges £25 for 2 hours to do a 4 bed house, near Cambridge!

That's twice my rate in a really pressurised roll in the NHS. I dunno why I bother!

Crazy isn't it

Omg can you not manage 1hr of cleaning without needing to stop?! Most healthy adults clean their own homes and id bet the majority manage to do so without needing to stop every half hour 😂😂
As aforementioned cleaning an ordinary family home which is regularly cleaned is not hard work. It only becomes hard work if a home has been allowed to get into a state with residues that are hard to remove, stains, thick dust etc.
Cleaning a regularly cleaned home is not tough physical labour 😂😂
It pushing the hoover around, cleaning surfaces with a spray and sponge, wiping down skirting boards, lightly polishing furniture, mopping some floors. Unless these are heavily soiled (unlikely in a regularly cleaned home) this is not hard physical labour 🤣