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Am I being unreasonable to give birth away from the child’s father because he doesn’t want to get married?

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Donesomethingsilly · 28/02/2025 02:30

My partner has two children to a previous relationship, we have been together for a while. We have discussed getting married but he was reluctant as he wants to protect himself financially. I understood that, and took a risk and decided to have a child with him as we had a great relationship. Since getting pregnant it’s been rocky. I’m not a uk citizen, my family is on the other side of the world. I’m with family at the moment as I needed to get away. Am I being unreasonable to stay here and have the child with my support system around me? He can’t move here, or even visit because he has his children. I feel stuck between doing the right thing for all the children involved, or the right thing for myself.

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OutsideLookingOut · 02/03/2025 12:19

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 12:01

She needs to financially support herself through the pregnancy, she’s a grown woman.

ETA - writing HTH at the end of your post is really juvenile.

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I disagree on both points but thank you :). It should not be unexpected for a woman to have support during pregnancy even if she can do it all herself. Avoiding stress is good for the developing baby.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 12:01

She needs to financially support herself through the pregnancy, she’s a grown woman.

ETA - writing HTH at the end of your post is really juvenile.

Tandora · 02/03/2025 11:52

OutsideLookingOut · 02/03/2025 11:44

And as far as I know it’s not the virgin birth. They both apparently want/wanted the baby. They both need to make it work. And a pregnant woman should be supported in her pregnancy no matter why she is pregnant or what wrongs she has done. HTH

And as far as I know it’s not the virgin birth….They both need to make it work

Exactly this. The only relevant information at this point.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 02/03/2025 11:47

mumonthehill · 28/02/2025 05:57

He does not want to get married, it sounds as if you were not independently financially secure during this relationship, and you got pregnant knowing all this. Even if he agrees to marry you now the relationship is likely to fail. I would stay where you are and build a life with a supportive family around you. If it true what you have said that you could not afford a bedsit if you return then really you have no other option.

I agree. I would never want to be financially dependent on a man. But I wouldn’t stay with a man who insulted me by refusing to marry in case I get my hands on his money!

OutsideLookingOut · 02/03/2025 11:44

And as far as I know it’s not the virgin birth. They both apparently want/wanted the baby. They both need to make it work. And a pregnant woman should be supported in her pregnancy no matter why she is pregnant or what wrongs she has done. HTH

OutsideLookingOut · 02/03/2025 11:43

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 11:40

But it was her choice! In a situation where a couple have very mismatched opinions on the future and neither want to compromise, most normal people cut their losses and part ways. They don’t get pregnant and then use the unborn baby as a pawn to attempt to get what they want.

It was his choice too. People can change their minds or wake up and realise their mistakes. She needs support and financial security to have the best outcomes for her baby. You seem to want her punished for this? Even if it hurts the baby in the long run because relationships fail and mum is often left as the primary carer. Why is that? I and many other posters have agreed OP was wrong in the first place. Can you really not move past that?

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 11:40

OutsideLookingOut · 02/03/2025 11:34

Honestly I find your double standards are great too. Have you not noticed this? You don’t expect the ex to put himself out at all.

If a man put his health, body, career etc etc at risk to birth my baby then I would hedge the risk. He would not be bearing that alone.

But it was her choice! In a situation where a couple have very mismatched opinions on the future and neither want to compromise, most normal people cut their losses and part ways. They don’t get pregnant and then use the unborn baby as a pawn to attempt to get what they want.

OutsideLookingOut · 02/03/2025 11:34

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 10:50

Shes paying towards living in a house she doesn’t own. If this was a man, living in his female partner’s house and was paying towards living there but his partner didn’t want to put him on the deeds- would you say she was selfish? Or just protecting her assets?

The double standards are crazy.

Anyway - I’ve spent far too much of my time thinking about this entirely made up scenario!

Honestly I find your double standards are great too. Have you not noticed this? You don’t expect the ex to put himself out at all.

If a man put his health, body, career etc etc at risk to birth my baby then I would hedge the risk. He would not be bearing that alone.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 10:50

Tandora · 02/03/2025 10:38

He’s not her landlord, he’s her partner . She’s not his tenant, she’s the mother of his baby.
If you think it’s acceptable for him to make money/ capital off her , as if they were in a landlord/ tenant relationship , then I cannot help you m’dear.
I sincerely hope you have better standards for yourself, but if you don’t, the least you could do is stop dragging other women down with you.

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Shes paying towards living in a house she doesn’t own. If this was a man, living in his female partner’s house and was paying towards living there but his partner didn’t want to put him on the deeds- would you say she was selfish? Or just protecting her assets?

The double standards are crazy.

Anyway - I’ve spent far too much of my time thinking about this entirely made up scenario!

Tandora · 02/03/2025 10:45

DivorcedMumOfAdults · 02/03/2025 10:36

Sorry new to this and seem to have posted on wrong thread

No I think you have posted on the right thread x

Tandora · 02/03/2025 10:38

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 10:33

Erm, she’s living in the house - why wouldn’t she pay to live there?! Insane! 😂 Do you think tenants shouldn’t pay rent because it’s helping the landlord pay the mortgage?!

He’s not her landlord, he’s her partner . She’s not his tenant, she’s the mother of his baby.
If you think it’s acceptable for him to make money/ capital off her , as if they were in a landlord/ tenant relationship , then I cannot help you m’dear.
I sincerely hope you have better standards for yourself, but if you don’t, the least you could do is stop dragging other women down with you.

DivorcedMumOfAdults · 02/03/2025 10:36

DivorcedMumOfAdults · 02/03/2025 10:36

Totally reasonable to stay with your family where you feel safe and supported while you give birth but you need to accept this may end the relationship with the child’s biological father. So ask yourself is he likely to be a good father and partner . Your unborn child needs a safe supported environment the presence of their biological father is not necessary.
What ever you decide I would consider not naming the father when you register the birth of your child.

Sorry new to this and seem to have posted on wrong thread

DivorcedMumOfAdults · 02/03/2025 10:36

Totally reasonable to stay with your family where you feel safe and supported while you give birth but you need to accept this may end the relationship with the child’s biological father. So ask yourself is he likely to be a good father and partner . Your unborn child needs a safe supported environment the presence of their biological father is not necessary.
What ever you decide I would consider not naming the father when you register the birth of your child.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 10:33

Tandora · 02/03/2025 10:25

Right- half wasn’t stated, but you’ve also conveniently left out that she said she was paying towards the mortgage as well as bills . I wonder why ? 🤔

So not only is this man refusing to commit and help support the new family he’s created, he’s actively making money off her.

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Erm, she’s living in the house - why wouldn’t she pay to live there?! Insane! 😂 Do you think tenants shouldn’t pay rent because it’s helping the landlord pay the mortgage?!

Tandora · 02/03/2025 10:25

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 09:55

No, she didn’t. She said she was ‘paying towards the bills’. ‘Half’ was never stated - you’ve made that bit up.

Right- half wasn’t stated, but you’ve also conveniently left out that she said she was paying towards the mortgage as well as bills . I wonder why ? 🤔

So not only is this man refusing to commit and help support the new family he’s created, he’s actively making money off her.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 09:57

CrispieCake · 02/03/2025 09:41

There is study upon study showing men don't pull their weight as parents and husbands, often don't pay for their children when NRPs and make up the majority of domestic abusers.

Maybe particular men are trustworthy but as a group trusting them is quite a high risk strategy.

Where are the studies that show ‘most fathers’ are shit in some way? Because that’s really quite the claim.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 09:55

Tandora · 02/03/2025 09:27

Yes she did

No, she didn’t. She said she was ‘paying towards the bills’. ‘Half’ was never stated - you’ve made that bit up.

CrispieCake · 02/03/2025 09:41

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 08:08

statistically, most fathers are shit in some way

Oh really? Where is your source for this statistic please?

There is study upon study showing men don't pull their weight as parents and husbands, often don't pay for their children when NRPs and make up the majority of domestic abusers.

Maybe particular men are trustworthy but as a group trusting them is quite a high risk strategy.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/03/2025 09:28

Tandora · 02/03/2025 09:27

Yes she did

No she didn't.

Tandora · 02/03/2025 09:27

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 08:12

OP’s paying half his mortgage FFS!

No, she never said that.

Yes she did

Tandora · 02/03/2025 09:27

Donesomethingsilly · 28/02/2025 05:56

I sent a text saying I’m not coming back. He can come and visit if he wants to, but I can’t come back.

You are making the sensible choice OP. X

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/03/2025 09:17

Tandora · 02/03/2025 07:50

His terms were that he didn't want to put his existing children's home at risk, which is entirely reasonable.

what does this mean exactly? You keep referring to “half the house” but - once again - putting OP on the deeds doesn’t mean she automatically gets half. They can be tenants in common , for example, and he can protect his other children’s share if needs be. There are plenty of ways of arranging things. OP’s paying half his mortgage FFS!

If OP’s partner wanted all his resources to go to his existing children , and he didn’t want to share them with a new family, he shouldn’t have made the decision to start a new family with OP. Simple as that.

you are honestly being ridiculous.
OP isn’t depriving this child of “half its family”. She is having a baby, she needs to be in a secure position to raise this child. That’s basic common sense.
Her partner has the power to work with her to ensure that is possible in the UK- he won’t- that’s on him- so she needs to look into other options where she’s confident she can manage it alone. That’s in her home country.

It’s as simple as that.

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Of course she's depriving her child of half their family. She's moved to the other side of the world from the child's father and entire paternal family and has informed him by text that he won't be having a relationship with his child. That's despicable behaviour.

What has she done to deserve being made a tenant in common (who would have the power to force a sale and take her share) of a house that he owns?

Why hasn't she saved some money towards a deposit for a house that they could buy together?

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 08:12

OP’s paying half his mortgage FFS!

No, she never said that.

SwingTheMonkey · 02/03/2025 08:08

statistically, most fathers are shit in some way

Oh really? Where is your source for this statistic please?

Tandora · 02/03/2025 07:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/03/2025 07:37

His terms on which he was prepared to conceive with her were unreasonable. At the time she thought they would work for her and the baby.

Absolute nonsense.

His terms were that he didn't want to put his existing children's home at risk, which is entirely reasonable.

She went ahead and decided to TTC on those terms, on the basis that she thought she could blackmail him into changing his mind later.

If she only wanted to have a baby near her "support network" then she should have TTC with a man who actually lives near her support network.

If she only wanted to have a baby with the protection of marriage then she should have TTC with a man she was married to.

It's as simple as that.

She openly admits in her own posts that she is effectively blackmailing him and she doesn't believe that what she is doing is in anyone's best interests except her own.

It's wrong to deprive her child of half their family because her stupid decisions backfired.

His terms were that he didn't want to put his existing children's home at risk, which is entirely reasonable.

what does this mean exactly? You keep referring to “half the house” but - once again - putting OP on the deeds doesn’t mean she automatically gets half. They can be tenants in common , for example, and he can protect his other children’s share if needs be. There are plenty of ways of arranging things. OP’s paying half his mortgage FFS!

If OP’s partner wanted all his resources to go to his existing children , and he didn’t want to share them with a new family, he shouldn’t have made the decision to start a new family with OP. Simple as that.

you are honestly being ridiculous.
OP isn’t depriving this child of “half its family”. She is having a baby, she needs to be in a secure position to raise this child. That’s basic common sense.
Her partner has the power to work with her to ensure that is possible in the UK- he won’t- that’s on him- so she needs to look into other options where she’s confident she can manage it alone. That’s in her home country.

It’s as simple as that.