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Am I being unreasonable to give birth away from the child’s father because he doesn’t want to get married?

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Donesomethingsilly · 28/02/2025 02:30

My partner has two children to a previous relationship, we have been together for a while. We have discussed getting married but he was reluctant as he wants to protect himself financially. I understood that, and took a risk and decided to have a child with him as we had a great relationship. Since getting pregnant it’s been rocky. I’m not a uk citizen, my family is on the other side of the world. I’m with family at the moment as I needed to get away. Am I being unreasonable to stay here and have the child with my support system around me? He can’t move here, or even visit because he has his children. I feel stuck between doing the right thing for all the children involved, or the right thing for myself.

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Auldy · 28/02/2025 09:42

aCatCalledFawkes · 28/02/2025 09:28

Lots of the responses seem to be in the 1800s blaming the woman for getting pregnant and not the man for not using condoms, even saying she's trapped him. He knew she wanted get married and he also knew he didn't want to get married or share finances. Why have another baby that would potentially be a joint finacial commitment with the OP for at least the next 18yrs if you didn't want that commitment?

Edited

The OP said she trapped him. The op hasn't said that he refused to support the child. He just doesn't want to hand over half his house to her... Probably because he has two other children who he has to provide for. This is entirely reasonable. He might have been happy to support both Op and the baby without a marriage certificate. All three of his children would likely have inherited an equal share in his property.

He didn't want to fuck off to the other side of the world to punish her.

In ops shoes I'd honestly accept that I'd fucked up massively and get my arse back to the place where I chose to conceive a child, get a job, get a flat, get maintenance and contact arrangements sorted and get on with raising a happy well adjusted kid who gets to have a relationship with both of their parents and their siblings.

ThePartingOfTheWays · 28/02/2025 09:39

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:29

OK, so can you talk us through:

  1. How the OP goes about proving that he is the child's father when she and her child are on the other side of the world, if he doesn't cooperate?
  2. How the dad goes about proving that he is the child's father when she and her child are on the other side of the world, if she doesn't cooperate?
  3. How the child goes about proving that he is their father later in life if neither 1 or 2 has happened, assuming that the child actually knows who and where their father is?

Does the 'ok' mean you now accept that I'm right, and that the post claiming 'he will need to be on the birth certificate for the child to get British citizenship' was fully wrong without caveats? I hope so.

It's information the OP or someone else in this position might actually need, since if an unmarried father does want to transmit his citizenship but for whatever reason isn't listed as the father when the birth is registered, there's another option.

In answer to your new hypothetical questions, it's very difficult to establish British citizenship through an uncooperative unmarried father and may not be possible at all. It would be unwise to be more absolute than this with such minimal information provided, and I'd suggest anyone in that position get specialist legal advice.

Lifestooshort71 · 28/02/2025 09:38

I'd leave the door open tbh. Tell him you're giving birth with the security of your family around you but you'd like him to build a relationship with his son/daughter so hopefully you can work that out between you. Don't go back to a man you don't love. I feel sorry for the child, a pawn in all this, so start putting them first.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:38

Porcuporpoise · 28/02/2025 09:34

DNA? It exists even outside the UK.

That's not an explanation of how this gets done in practice.

RenovationNightmare · 28/02/2025 09:35

Your post seems really odd.
You said you planned to buy a place to rent out, unless you are living somewhere really cheap I can't understand how a hotel stay and flight home would wipe all those savings out. If that was the case it would have been prudent to get an Airbnb.
If I had a house I wouldn't be willing to put a partner on the mortgage or deeds.

Were you paying half the mortgage and bills? For how long? Sorry I can't see this info in your posts.
Honestly, and apologies if I misinterpreted your posts, it seems like blackmail...'Okay I'll have a child even though I know your feelings on marriage, now I want to be on the mortgage/deeds, now I'll only return if I'm set up financially if the relationship fails...'
You were not financially secure enough to have a baby, but both of you chose to get pregnant - which is absolutely your right - but it seems you had a clear idea of what you wanted financially and have trapped him thinking that you can get what you want via that route.

aCatCalledFawkes · 28/02/2025 09:35

Well lets hope he is, hopefully where ever the baby and the OP are they can jointly find a way to facilitate the relationship.

Porcuporpoise · 28/02/2025 09:34

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:29

OK, so can you talk us through:

  1. How the OP goes about proving that he is the child's father when she and her child are on the other side of the world, if he doesn't cooperate?
  2. How the dad goes about proving that he is the child's father when she and her child are on the other side of the world, if she doesn't cooperate?
  3. How the child goes about proving that he is their father later in life if neither 1 or 2 has happened, assuming that the child actually knows who and where their father is?

DNA? It exists even outside the UK.

Neetra30 · 28/02/2025 09:33

OrangeYaGlad · 28/02/2025 08:41

Incorrect. Her child is a British citizen from birth with a British father, will have full rights to live in the UK, and he cannot control where the child lives if it's born abroad, whether he's on the birth cert or not .

Not if she doesnt put his name on the birth certificate. Which she cant anyway, not without him being present since they are not married

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:31

aCatCalledFawkes · 28/02/2025 09:28

Lots of the responses seem to be in the 1800s blaming the woman for getting pregnant and not the man for not using condoms, even saying she's trapped him. He knew she wanted get married and he also knew he didn't want to get married or share finances. Why have another baby that would potentially be a joint finacial commitment with the OP for at least the next 18yrs if you didn't want that commitment?

Edited

There's no suggestion that he wasn't willing to make a financial commitment to the baby.

YourHappyJadeEagle · 28/02/2025 09:31

You’re back in your country with family? If so, stay there, have the baby and register in your name only. If your relationship with the dad was rocky during the pregnancy I don’t think it’ll improve.
You’ll have to be prepared to be a single parent, likely with no financial support but if you can do that I’d say stay where you have support.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:30

WhatNoRaisins · 28/02/2025 09:29

Well it sounds like he didn't see what the OP has done coming.

I don't think most people would see that coming.

And it's worth noting that she could do what she has done even if they were married.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:29

ThePartingOfTheWays · 28/02/2025 09:26

No, it's fully and entirely wrong and to no purposes correct. I used to practice nationality law, incidentally.

One can construct scenarios where it's not possible to force DNA evidence, and also where it's not possible to force the father to go on the birth certificate. These are hypothetical given that we don't know the level of his cooperation. This is not the same thing as making an absolute claim that 'he will need to be on the birth certificate for the child to get British citizenship'. He won't. There is no getting round that.

OK, so can you talk us through:

  1. How the OP goes about proving that he is the child's father when she and her child are on the other side of the world, if he doesn't cooperate?
  2. How the dad goes about proving that he is the child's father when she and her child are on the other side of the world, if she doesn't cooperate?
  3. How the child goes about proving that he is their father later in life if neither 1 or 2 has happened, assuming that the child actually knows who and where their father is?
WhatNoRaisins · 28/02/2025 09:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:25

Who says he didn't think about it?

Well it sounds like he didn't see what the OP has done coming.

aCatCalledFawkes · 28/02/2025 09:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:19

Why inevitable homelessness?

I literally don't know anyone who assumes that they will be homeless if a man stops providing them with free housing.

Are some people posting from the 1800s?

Lots of the responses seem to be in the 1800s blaming the woman for getting pregnant and not the man for not using condoms, even saying she's trapped him. He knew she wanted get married and he also knew he didn't want to get married or share finances. Why have another baby that would potentially be a joint finacial commitment with the OP for at least the next 18yrs if you didn't want that commitment?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:26

Auldy · 28/02/2025 09:25

Poor, poor kid. Honestly, the games people play with children's lives is breath taking. You have chosen to bring a whole human being into this shit show of a world because you wanted to trap a man into marrying you and to lay claim to half of his money. You are now denying that child any proper good quality relationship with their dad. It's heartbreaking.

I also don't understand the whole - he gives me half his money or I become homeless schtick.

Exactly this.

What is to stop her getting a job and saving money like a normal person?

SwingTheMonkey · 28/02/2025 09:26

WhatNoRaisins · 28/02/2025 09:22

Personally I've got less sympathy for this man because he already has two children and should know that providing a stable upbringing for children costs money. He still went ahead TTC without actually thinking through how he'd support another family.

Where has he said he won’t support the baby? He doesn’t want to marry op or give her half of his house. Nowhere does it say he wouldn’t or couldn’t support the new baby.

ThePartingOfTheWays · 28/02/2025 09:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:22

OK. Perhaps it is technically wrong, but given the difficulties of proving that the child is a British citizen without that, it is to all intents and purposes correct.

No, it's fully and entirely wrong and to no purposes correct. I used to practice nationality law, incidentally.

One can construct scenarios where it's not possible to force DNA evidence, and also where it's not possible to force the father to go on the birth certificate. These are hypothetical given that we don't know the level of his cooperation. This is not the same thing as making an absolute claim that 'he will need to be on the birth certificate for the child to get British citizenship'. He won't. There is no getting round that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:25

WhatNoRaisins · 28/02/2025 09:22

Personally I've got less sympathy for this man because he already has two children and should know that providing a stable upbringing for children costs money. He still went ahead TTC without actually thinking through how he'd support another family.

Who says he didn't think about it?

Auldy · 28/02/2025 09:25

Poor, poor kid. Honestly, the games people play with children's lives is breath taking. You have chosen to bring a whole human being into this shit show of a world because you wanted to trap a man into marrying you and to lay claim to half of his money. You are now denying that child any proper good quality relationship with their dad. It's heartbreaking.

I also don't understand the whole - he gives me half his money or I become homeless schtick.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:24

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 28/02/2025 09:21

He might not necessarily be able to visit much though. We don’t know the country but visas may be required, high costs and time associated with visiting.
why should all the expense of visits in both directions be on him? It should be on the op to facilitate the child having a relationship with their father given that she’s choosing to take them away from him (or at least a joint effort).

It may simply be unaffordable for him.

And he has two children as well. So unless he can afford to fly his two children out there with him, they aren't going to have a relationship with their siblings, are they?

WhatNoRaisins · 28/02/2025 09:22

Personally I've got less sympathy for this man because he already has two children and should know that providing a stable upbringing for children costs money. He still went ahead TTC without actually thinking through how he'd support another family.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:22

ThePartingOfTheWays · 28/02/2025 09:20

The poster I was replying to. Look at the quoted post on my first post.

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 wrote 'he will need to be on the birth certificate for the child to get British citizenship'.

Which is wrong.

OK. Perhaps it is technically wrong, but given the difficulties of proving that the child is a British citizen without that, it is to all intents and purposes correct.

SwingTheMonkey · 28/02/2025 09:22

diddl · 28/02/2025 09:14

The man's a cad.

In what way?

He said all along he didn't want to marry.

Op didn't have to have a child with him in the hope that he would then marry her.

Apparently you’re a cad if you make your position abundantly clear and someone still chooses to procreate with you in the hope you’ll change your mind and they can get a house or citizenship from you…

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 28/02/2025 09:21

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 28/02/2025 09:16

I think you're doing the right thing op as you have no security in the uk. Once your baby is born in the uk he can get on the birth certificate immediately and block you and the child from moving for 18 years. You need to stay with your support system and make sure your child is born there (unless you need Uk citizenship for your child?! In which case seek advice)

IF he wants to be in a relationship with you and for you to live in he uk then explain that you onky feel secure doing this if you're married, if he just wants to be your boyfriend that's fine he can visit you in your country as much as he likes and fly you and the baby to the uk for visits too

He might not necessarily be able to visit much though. We don’t know the country but visas may be required, high costs and time associated with visiting.
why should all the expense of visits in both directions be on him? It should be on the op to facilitate the child having a relationship with their father given that she’s choosing to take them away from him (or at least a joint effort).

ThePartingOfTheWays · 28/02/2025 09:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 09:18

Who said he needs to be on the birth certificate to pass on his British citizenship?

He doesn't.

It passes automatically.

But if the child can't prove it then it's an entirely moot point and they might as well not have British citizenship.

The poster I was replying to. Look at the quoted post on my first post.

@LiquoriceAllsorts2 wrote 'he will need to be on the birth certificate for the child to get British citizenship'.

Which is wrong.