To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

We can tell! Our PM is definitely unadulterated proof of that!

The EU seems useless at the moment. Always paralysed by indecision.

It's OK when the world is going well, but doesn't exactly turn on a sixpence and spends more time talking than actually doing.

I think the UK is in a good position to build a relationship as a go between between the EU and the US, and it appears to be going well at the moment.

We're actually just starting to get to the point where we can take real advantages of being out of the EU, so it would be ridiculous to go back in. I don't think even Starmer wants that.

It was George Osborne who was chancellor at the time who said it was a once in a lifetime vote that was highly unlikely to be repeated.

As I said, it's not easy to be uproot ourselves. We live here and our children were raised here. You see how that works? It's almost like it was real people that were affected by Brexit.

It's fine though, you're the bitter one, still angry that people haven't seen the light on the amazingness of Brexit.

I'm still here. The UK I moved to is just shitter than it once was. You know that. Nothing has improved for you, and nothing will. Your EU neighbours still live here they just like you less.

Yes don't EU passports carry the right for dependents, ie husbands to accompany you to another EU MS? Employment rules might vary I suppose, but if you were economically better off in another EU MS then this would make sense

Those are by no way equivalent to calling people "stupid" or "numpties" because of the way they voted (see above posts) - that is saying they lacked the ability to make a rational decision and is an attack on intrinsic characteristics. Saying someone is a "sort loser" or "remoaner" is arguably factual based on their behaviour - unwilling to accept the outcome of a democratic referendum.

Also why not call wherever your Country of origin racist or xenophobic if they are unwilling to accept entry of the partner of a citizen to work?

The majority of the population didn't vote for it though.

Talk about it to everyone you meet if you like. The reaction here should have told you it would be a waste of time.

Hugsbunny · Today 21:50
Oh, and as soon as you call people who voted leave stupid you have lost the argument

Not really. 49% of the population is by definition below average intelligence.

What an appalingly small minded self centered opinion. What is right for you or your family is quite ok. But if that isn't what is right for the majority of the population, then they have every right to expect what they voted for to be enacted.

We've already had "sore loser" and "remoaner".

Is that OK? Just so I understand.

I do think they were stupid though. Sorry. I am sure they think the same about those that voted remain. I wasn't one. I wasn't allowed. because democracy

You may well get a major surprise of the result if there was to be another one today. Firstly, I doubt you would get enough of the population to vote for it to be considered legal as most are sick of hearing about it. Then there is still enough strength of feeling among the public it is the right way forward, which I suspect in ten years time will prove to be true.

Absolutely laughable that you frame the last referendum as being ‘designed’ as a once-in-a-generation event. A more slapdash, careless process is hard to imagine. The only reason it couldn’t be challenged under the Vienna convention is that it was not ‘designed’ to be binding. Even David Liddington, when he was leader of the house, said that there was no need for safeguards as nobody intended to act upon the outcome. Who said it was once in a generation? Farage and his ilk were all gearing up to challenge when they thought it wasn’t going to go their way.

Some excellent points there @Hugsbunny 👏

Especially

Yes, there is a proportion of the loud metropolitan elite who are angry about waiting in queues at EU immigration, not being able to use their holiday homes as much, paying more for nannies, cleaners and builders, angry about VAT on private schools being imposed. These things don't matter at all to the majority.

And

Hugsbunny · Today 21:50

Oh, and as soon as you call people who voted leave stupid you have lost the argument.

This ^ is spades! The wounded and furious left always carp on about how 'thick' and 'stupid' people are who voted to leave the EU. (Often coupled with 'racist' and 'bigoted' and 'badly educated.')

I won't even engage in conversation with such people. As you say, they lose the argument as soon as they say that. You know they've got a bright red face and smoke coming out of their nose as they type it. 😂

Well, that's the obvious answer but you can't help some people.

As a EU citizen I actually don't think I could take the raging about Europeans for another year. I've never quite recovered from the understanding that I was surrounded by xenophobic arseholes.

I'd have liked to have left but unfortunately I'd made a home here with my British husband and children like a good little foreign type and it's not that easy to up root yourself.

So they can keep their Brexit. It hasn't actually affected me as an EU citizen, I'm still here. It's only as a resident of the UK I've been shafted like my British husband who now can't travel freely and has had his employment affected.

I've still got my fancy passport that gets me everywhere I need to go. I don't know what they think they've got from it

I can see most people don’t agree with me, but this is how I feel.

I can't see the poll but I'm surprised. It's usually more anti Brexit on mn

I don't really feel strongly, voted remain, will rtft see what pp say

Exactly!

A pp has just called anyone who voted leave a 'numpty'

Tell me you're a leftie without telling me you're a leftie.....

Name calling and derogatory comments just alienate people, your point of view then falls on deaf ears.

So you based your decision to vote leave on europeans willing to have another vote and not on the fact that UK leaders were putting lies on the buses to mislead public? EU was Uak's largest trading partner, so many small businesses had to close the shop because they and their customers couldnt deal with custom fees and timelines.

Oh, and as soon as you call people who voted leave stupid you have lost the argument

"the ends justify the means" - the cry of the left for 150 years.

I didn't vote either way, after being originally a big fan of the idea of the EU, but after living in the rest of the EU I was torn between the impact of unconstrained low cost workers flooding the UK, the absolute corruption and waste of the EU, the way EU countries avoided implementing EU laws when they didn't want it or abused ones they did want (like structural reform funds being used to lay off UK workers), against the inevitable economic impact.

After I was fairly agnostic until the "Article 16" vaccine crisis during COVID when it became apparent the EU administration really was a "bunch of unelected bureaucrats" pulling the strings.

So far, I think Brexit has gone better than I expected. I can see working class people benefitting, the strain on public services is reducing (our local schools are not oversubscribed for the first time in 15 years), self employed wages have increased. Housing availability is at least not getting crazy worse like it was 10 years ago. Previous EU immigrants have settled down, integrated and are becoming fully part of the community. The heat has gone out of the discussion on EU immigrants, we were available to absorb large number of Ukraine residents without a problem.

Yes, there is a proportion of the loud metropolitan elite who are angry about waiting in queues at EU immigration, not being able to use their holiday homes as much, paying more for nannies, cleaners and builders, angry about VAT on private schools being imposed. These things don't matter at all to the majority.

I understand perfectly well. I also understand that the demographic that voted overwhelming for Brexit are by and large dead or headed that way. They made a decision that was overwhelmingly NOT wanted by the people who would have to live with it longest. It would be ridiculous to assume those people should have a decision made for their entire lives by their grandparents

Or most people are against the PM making an undemocratic decision but are still convinced that leaving was the wrong decision?
Which polls show is actually the view of most of the british public.

So why couldn't there be another one another 100 years after the last?

Why 10 years after?

The UK left the EU. We're not going back. Get over it.

I do think you’re probably being unreasonable because, you know, democracy.

Another vote is the way forward. Rejoin would no doubt win hands down. The Brexit vote was insane. The numpties who voted leave would scream and shout if we rejoined without another vote (but would probably put their crosses next to yes in the privacy of the voting booth).

Thats assuming the EU would take the UK, back, of course.