To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

No. There was a mixed response to the Constitution referenda in different European countries. The Constitution was passed despite arguments. It was subsequently amended in the Lisbon Treaty.

Specifically in the French referendum, to which I was referring, the 'No' vote was effectively over-ridden by Jacques Chirac following pressure from the EU. I clearly remember the EU saying in the French news at the time that France must vote again because they got it wrong.

This is all too emotional. The EU and the UK are not going to have a sudden kiss and make up. Any PM that did would be finishing their own career.

They are not even a good prospect economically for what the UK needs to prosper. Maybe we can negotiate some facilitation agreements to improve trade, but this emotional "Europe" is over.

They wouldn't have us anyway.

Yes, there would be no point in having another referendum if the EU refused to have us back even if rejoin won.

They wouldn't have us anyway.

I read that as the poster lives in the UK and her husband can no longer travel easily to the EU for work? If her country is 'racist or xenophobic' then that's exactly what we are as well.
I know someone with a set building company who does loads of work in Europe. He now only hires people with EU passports for ease of travel. It's us who put up these barriers.

Wasn't the thing the public voted on changed? If its what you're talking about. The public in Europe voted 'no' to something, the EU made some changes and presented it again and the public voted 'yes' to the changed version.
If I'm thinking of the same thing

No thanks Europe is a complete mess right now. I'd want to see a drastic improvement before we rejoin.

How the left love to shut down debate by saying you are stupid, racist, transphobic etc

Be careful about referendums..don't assume you know the answer..didn't they do that in 2016?

No, I voted Leave for many reasons but part of it was the fact that the EU (not the 'European people', who are not in any case a homogenous group) thought it could tell people they needed to vote again because they got it wrong.

Another reason was that I disagree with the basis on which the EU was founded, which was not free trade or freedom of movement but the creation of a United States of Europe to rival the USA.

But mainly I thought it was an undemocratic institution that I did not wish to be part of.

Free trade and free movement did not outweigh that for me.

But thanks for proving the assumption I believed 'lies on a bus' and must be stupid. I actually have a PhD in and lecture in Politics and that's the kind of unevidenced, uncritical thought I expect from my first year undergraduates.

Fuck no. Absolutely not. Its not up to him anyway thank god.

No more wasted money on voting. No more squandering.

Just pay the fuel allowance, why do they have to claim? They have every detail about us anyway.

Let's see some action with banning dividend payouts to shareholders and directors for water and energy companies.
.Let's see some regeneration of towns and cities WITHOUT building all over the parks.

Let's see the boats stopping. What about getting the billions given to Rwanda back?

What about giving up the MP fuel allowance they get whatever their salary.

Oh, and bring back the Latin teachers.
I think we've had quite enough of labour's unilateral decisions already, thanks.

No thanks. Europe is a collection of greedy countries that screwed the UK for hears. Bunch of crooks. Trump said as much today and I agree.

Yeah, this.
I voted YANBU, * as I think we should rejoin.
The vote was to leave though, and you can't just decide to ignore it because you don't like the result.
It would cause even more unrest.

Our Prime Minister is not a President (thank Christ for that, considering what's happening on the other side of the pond), and cannot make a unilateral decision on his own. We had a referendum, like it or not, and to overturn it, we would need another one. Then the EU could decide whether to allow us back in.

The USA has a democratically elected President who is carrying out his election promises whether we like it or not.

Tbh, autocracies seems to be all the rage.

How do you think that will play out?

Starmer makes an announcement and the population nods in agreement and gets back to what they are doing?

Yes, there are studies to show less educated people more more for leave. That's not a value judgement on them, more on you!

Firstly, more educated doesn't mean more intelligent or not being an idiot. It does correlate with likelyhood to be living in a metropolitan area, have a more priviledged upbringing or generally be richer

Secondly, hard to argue that the positive impact of EU membership was predominantly felt on well educated people, who are more likely to earn a higher wage, travel frequently, employ domestic staff, have private schooling. Of course they would vote for remain.

To be more succinct, what was the benefit of EU membership to a manual worker. If they could afford an EU holiday, shorter queues once a year, versus significantly reduced wages?

Why oh why do people still bang on about this Europe has moved on from when we left and is it’s own shit show we rejoin and we join that shit show on very unfavourable terms

Time people accepted that and move on

Wrong on a few counts, please learn some basic GCSE statistics.

1. The only requirement is that 50% of the population will be above median intellgence and 50% below. Whether 50% is above or below average depends on the distribution of intellgence around the median.
2. Being above or below average does not make someone stupid (though not understanding statistics and trying to use them might be a good indicator...). All you can saw is less/more intelligent than average/median
3. Lastly, you are implying fewer intelligent people voted for Brexit. I've not seen a study that discounts education, wealth or other factors

Agree. It is slow. Much as I might like better links, the US will move a lot faster and will not start the negotiations on trade with political poison like youth migration, fishing rights and adherence to their courts.

I mean Starmer might be very pro EU but he likes being PM better. The US will act much more quickly. A lot has already been discussed

He was a Eurosceptic, but he did say that he believed that we would negotiate a good deal. Cameron scarpered before finishing what he started.

Well, he didn’t want it at all. He tried to dissuade Cameron. The then government could not have done a worse job of setting out the parameters and implications, and they set it up as a non-binding referendum.

And of all the time to be starting a significant relationship with the US it's hilarious that we're starting now with Trump's "America First" campaign and the First Twat Musk offering to liberate the UK.

Exactly this. And this is why I don't engage with the 'sore losers.' The utter nonsense they come out with is farcical. 😂

Don't rise to the bait! They're just bitter and angry that they lost.

Saying someone is a "sort loser" or "remoaner" is arguably factual based on their behaviour - unwilling to accept the outcome of a democratic referendum.

It's factual that those who voted to leave were less well educated than remain too. So.