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To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

308 replies

Wildflowers99 · 27/02/2025 18:59

That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

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Biscuitsnotcookies · 01/03/2025 16:37

Fernandoo · 01/03/2025 16:34

Eurozone still done better than U.K.

That looks suspect. Especially Italy and France’s figures.

Fernandoo · 01/03/2025 16:34

SamanthaJayneFrances · 01/03/2025 16:11

We should tread very carefully with closer alignment to the EU, their economic outlook is dire especially power houses Germany and France.

I don't know anyone who wants to rejoin, but understand there may be some people with EU spouses/family who find it difficult or some folk miss hiring cheap staff or want to buy up Spanish properties without red tape (not sure the Spanish will welcome that!), but most Brits have not changed their minds.

Labour have said they have no intention of tying us to the political bloc again. If they do, Reform will step in as our new government and rectify the situation.

Eurozone still done better than U.K.

To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?
JacqFrost · 01/03/2025 16:27

These YouGov opinion polls always intrigue me. I'm 42 and never been asked to answer an opinion poll and I don't know anyone who ever has either.

SamanthaJayneFrances · 01/03/2025 16:11

We should tread very carefully with closer alignment to the EU, their economic outlook is dire especially power houses Germany and France.

I don't know anyone who wants to rejoin, but understand there may be some people with EU spouses/family who find it difficult or some folk miss hiring cheap staff or want to buy up Spanish properties without red tape (not sure the Spanish will welcome that!), but most Brits have not changed their minds.

Labour have said they have no intention of tying us to the political bloc again. If they do, Reform will step in as our new government and rectify the situation.

Dotjones · 01/03/2025 16:04

YABU because if "everyone seems to regret" it then there should definitely be another referendum to legitimise rejoining the EU (or at least, applying to rejoin).

Remember though we'll get a much worse deal if they allow us to rejoin and it will cost us a hell of a lot.

CasperGutman · 01/03/2025 15:43

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 27/02/2025 19:08

YABU I don't know anyone who voted leave who regrets the decision. I'd expect full scale riots if he even attempted anything of the like. He and his party are hugely disliked, especially amongst the sterotype population who voted leave. Making that kind of decision would be disaster.

America may have ghosted us because of our current goverment who have been fairly obvious in their opinions of the new American President.

Edited

While most people who supported Brexit haven't changed their minds (yet), polling suggests a significant minority have. YouGov reports one in five leave voters (20%) would now support rejoining the EU itself and about one in three (32%) would support rejoining the single market. https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on

mugglewump · 01/03/2025 15:40

I don't think it would be a good decision. I am still grieving for our EU freedom and community, but making a decision without some kind of democratic process would not go down well with the public at large. In addition, the rise of the far right across Europe is something I am wary of. However, I do believe in rejoining the free trade area and having freedom of movement. That would be extremely good for our economy and our people.

Grammarnut · 01/03/2025 15:32

Entangledlife · 27/02/2025 19:03

I wish it too. The problem is if he did we become like America and lose all semblance of democracy. I feel we sometimes need an autocracy and this is one time but it does leave us open for hypocrisy allegations

Well, joining the EU certainly lets one in for autocracy, which has always been the rest of the continent's default position.

Grammarnut · 01/03/2025 15:31

That would be undemocratic, the country voted to leave and we have left. It would also be political suicide - his party, however pro-EU, would get shot of him as an electoral liability; we do not live in a tyrany and Prime Ministers do not have executive powers of decree. It might cause a constitutional crisis.
It would also be economic suicide as well as meaning we had to accept Shengen and the Euro - both of which would damage our economy. That wouldn't be the only price, either, since France in particular desires to punish the UK for daring to leave them holding half the subsidy basket for the poorer areas of the EU.

bombastix · 01/03/2025 14:32

The EU has its own security problems. We shouldn't be in a hurry to reengage with them on the basis of Ukraine.

It's telling that Macron and Starmer's discussions do not include the majority of EU countries. There are good reasons for that, and Britain is wise not to jump straight back in.

Fernandoo · 01/03/2025 14:28

Trump has sided with tyranny. We have to view this US administration as hostile to our interests. We can’t trust them to keep their word or be party to any intelligence we are in possession of. And we need to get closer to our European neighbours, fellow liberal democracies - strength in numbers. PM can’t though simply rejoin the EU.

Vannymcvan · 28/02/2025 18:53

YABU, we are a democracy. It will push the haters even more firmly into Farage's arms.
I'd love to be in the EU again. It was idiocy to leave.

caringcarer · 28/02/2025 18:51

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 16:32

Depends which definition of "average" (which doesn't have one single meaning) you're using.

Anyway, we're splitting hairs. The point being made is that the more intelligent half of the electorate have above average intelligence and the less intelligent half have below average intelligence. If you don't understand this point then we can only speculate which half you are in.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 16:38

ARealitycheck · 28/02/2025 16:09

As a spouse of a National, he should be able to work in the OP's home Country.
It is clearly apparent that the UK offers a far better standard of living or that is what they would be doing.

No, as the spouse of an EU national he can accompany her when she is exercising her own right to free movement but he doesn't have any independent right to free movement of his own.

If they don't live in her country then he has no particular rights there over and above being a tourist.

Most EU countries have quite strict rules about, for example, who is allowed to work there and under what circumstances. But some of these rules can't be applied to EU nationals. So if, for example, a French woman and a British man who live in the UK decide to stay in France for an extended period during her maternity leave, he's breaking French law if he works from "home" there.

Besides, people have many different reasons for living and working in a different place other than simply where has the best standard of living. Otherwise, why are there so many British people living in France and so many French people living in the UK at the same time?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 16:32

Hugsbunny · 28/02/2025 15:58

Probably you should brush up on your maths, this is not correct, as an example:

The 50% percentile (median) for UK salaries is £29669. 50% earn more, 50% less. The average is £35404. 2023 figures.

Depends which definition of "average" (which doesn't have one single meaning) you're using.

Anyway, we're splitting hairs. The point being made is that the more intelligent half of the electorate have above average intelligence and the less intelligent half have below average intelligence. If you don't understand this point then we can only speculate which half you are in.

ARealitycheck · 28/02/2025 16:09

Kendodd · 28/02/2025 09:02

I read that as the poster lives in the UK and her husband can no longer travel easily to the EU for work? If her country is 'racist or xenophobic' then that's exactly what we are as well.
I know someone with a set building company who does loads of work in Europe. He now only hires people with EU passports for ease of travel. It's us who put up these barriers.

As a spouse of a National, he should be able to work in the OP's home Country.
It is clearly apparent that the UK offers a far better standard of living or that is what they would be doing.

Hugsbunny · 28/02/2025 15:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 14:55

Erm, that's not what she's saying at all.

The bottom 49% of anything is below average.

Probably you should brush up on your maths, this is not correct, as an example:

The 50% percentile (median) for UK salaries is £29669. 50% earn more, 50% less. The average is £35404. 2023 figures.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 28/02/2025 14:55

AlexandrinaH · 28/02/2025 14:49

If you’re trying to say those 49% voted leave you would be wrong. It was 52%, which is why Brexit won. If 49% voted leave, we’d still be in the EU. Use your brain.

And no, rejoin wouldn’t win hands down. I can’t understand why anyone would want to be a part of the EU right now.

Erm, that's not what she's saying at all.

The bottom 49% of anything is below average.

Wildflowers99 · 28/02/2025 14:52

I really didn’t think there would be so many posters this passionate about Brexit! I can see I’ve lost the AIBU, although it looks like 3 or 4 in 10 agree with me so my opinion can’t be that ‘hare-brained’ Hmm

I just feel like the last few weeks have been a hard lesson in who comes and goes as an ally

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AlexandrinaH · 28/02/2025 14:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 27/02/2025 22:08

Hugsbunny · Today 21:50
Oh, and as soon as you call people who voted leave stupid you have lost the argument

Not really. 49% of the population is by definition below average intelligence.

If you’re trying to say those 49% voted leave you would be wrong. It was 52%, which is why Brexit won. If 49% voted leave, we’d still be in the EU. Use your brain.

And no, rejoin wouldn’t win hands down. I can’t understand why anyone would want to be a part of the EU right now.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 28/02/2025 14:19

No, I don't wish that he would just unilaterally rejoin. But I do wish that he would make a very strong case for rejoining the EU and that he would initiate a proper national debate about whether Brexit should be reversed.

DetectiveSleuth · 28/02/2025 14:15

We don’t live in a dictatorship (although it feels like it sometimes) This is what the people voted for and it would be awful if one person could just over turn it. Where would it stop?? Could he overturn the results of the next general election if it didn’t go his way? Could he decide unilaterally that the pension age rises to 85?? People need to have their say and you have to like it or lump it.

caringcarer · 28/02/2025 14:12

ARealitycheck · 27/02/2025 19:26

As many people always said, had our politicians listened to us 20 plus years ago, we would still be EU members. The idea of a custom union within Europe is brilliant. What wasn't brilliant was the creation of a parliament above our own dictating our laws. Likewise unrestricted free movement of people.

Spot on.

caringcarer · 28/02/2025 14:08

Everybody does not regret their Brexit vote OP. I don't regret voting. to leave one little bit neither do anyone I know who voted to leave either. The people who voted to stay want to believe everyone who had the audacity to disagree with them must regret their vote. It's so patronising.

Alondra · 28/02/2025 09:33

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/02/2025 19:16

He literally can't.

Even if he could take the decision to rejoin without having a referendum in the UK (although he would still need a majority in parliament for doing that), there would need to be a unanimous yes vote from the EU27 including referendums in several of those countries.

This. Aside from being undemocratic it will mean a country adhesion process lasting years and requiring to be ratified by all EU member countries.