To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

Clavinova · Today 20:21

MrsSkylerWhite · Today 19:07
Clavinova
The people I know in real life barely mention Brexit - they've just carried on their lives as before.

I can pretty much guarantee that a percentage don’t want to mention it because it’s been a disaster. Very embarrassing to admit you were duped.
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I don't know anyone who is feeling duped by voting leave but sorry you are having such a miserable life because of Brexit.

They aren’t likely to tell you, are they? (given the very anti-EU opinions you have been expressing on this forum for years. Can only imagine that you’re equally blinkered and strident face to face.

We’re not because we are well off retirees.
Young friends and family are because their freedoms and options have been severely curtailed.

If you don’t feel that’s a cause for regret, I can only assume that you’re a comfortable retiree too, without young people you care about.

There won’t be a choice. The special relationship has gone.

You can thank Boris Johnson

Could you not meet the requirements of a non-lucrative visa? Are you retired now?

Yes, I have business friends who've just stopped trading in Europe.

Tucked up my retirement. Property In Europe I couldn't go to when I wanted. Sold now.
I'd still like to know why Europeans can come to the UK for 6 months but we can only go for 90/180 days.

'We won't choose between Zelenskyy and Trump,' Chancellor tells LBC - as she vows UK is 'fully behind' Ukraine.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/reeves-zelenskyy-trump-ukraine/

I don't know anyone who is feeling duped by voting leave but sorry you are having such a miserable life because of Brexit.

It's often discussed on Mumsnet - in fact I've just checked and there was a discussion on the Brexit threads two weeks ago. A remain poster has posted duff information although she doesn't realise it.

What else do you suggest now the US has buggered off?

What?? The EU have done absolutely nothing and your best idea is to ‘stick’ to them?? It beggars belief.
Literally strapping yourself in on the titanic.

I voted remain, and it would be in my interests as the education tax would be illegal, but I really don't think this would be ok or any good for democracy!

Exactly. Its funny how many Conservatives have suddenly realised we have a terrible voting system when it has been unfit for purpose for decades. The Tories had a chance to change it as part of the coalition but they obfuscated,only agreed to put forward a system that wasn't actually even PR and then campaigned against it. This isn't a new system that somehow Labour invented in order to get elected somehow before they were elected.

You might have been right six months ago. The world’s now changed dramatically. All of us in this region need to stick together now because the rest of the world doesn’t give a shit about us.

The terms of rejoining would be so deeply unappealing even the most ardent remainer wouldn’t vote for it.

There is no chance of either a referendum or rejoining so this is a redundant thread.

It’s not up to me but most polls show little change in opinions. Which is irrelevant, given the actual question asked by the thread heading

The last thing we need to be doing is deporting EU citizens, @Clavinova. The UK would grind to an halt.

It’s unlikely that many are not in work. Our local hospital is almost completely staffed by EU citizens (and others from around the world) at every level, from porters and HCAs to surgeons. My husband’s life has recently been saved by an exceptionally skilled surgeon from Bulgaria.

Those arriving in the pre-Brexit world usually wanted nothing more than to work as hard as they could and send as much money home as they were able.

That's not what I was talking about.

Hypothetical complications around the ability to deport EU citizens haven't actually been a major issue for the UK.

Agreed. The people I know who voted leave never talk about Brexit, they must feel duped at least to an extent.
I don't think its quite as taboo as the subject of covid though, I know people lost the plot during that time and behaved like hysterical lunatics. Even family members who were so over the top, they now never want to talk about those times ever again because they are just so embarrassed of how they behaved.

Well, yes - look at the complications of deporting an EU citizen if they haven't found work;

Your host country can ask you to leave if you can't prove that you have a realistic chance of finding work there.

In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy, public security, or public health - but only if it can prove you pose a serious threat.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/index_en.htm#just-moved-1

Brexit has been an incredibly expensive waste. It costs us billions in bureaucracy and billions in lost trading opportunities.

The EU have done precisely nothing to help Ukraine! Nothing to stop Russia. Very little in the way of military aid and relied largely on the U.K, France and NATO for defence! So misguided, genuinely worrying how far removed some pp are from reality.

The EU have the perfect opportunity to step up - I am going to bet my house on the fact they won’t!

It's way more complicated than that. Too complicated for a referendum tbh.

I do wonder if those who supported brexit would have done so had they known what was coming given how much we need europe more than ever now.

My sibling on the forces at the time said this is what would happen as a result of brexit.

True? I have no idea. But it was a common thought that Russia was interfering in the vote to get this outcome to then attack the boarders.

MissScarletInTheBallroom
We had literally the best deal of any country in the EU

Those countries who were the largest net beneficiaries of EU funding had the best deal.