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To wish Starmer would make a unilateral decision to rejoin the EU?

308 replies

Wildflowers99 · 27/02/2025 18:59

That’s all, really. Yes it would be ‘undemocratic’ but should we sacrifice national interest on the altar of a vote from 10 years ago that everyone seems to regret?

We feel adrift during a scary time, and the US has all but ghosted us.

OP posts:
Biscuitsnotcookies · 27/02/2025 19:37

StandFirm · 27/02/2025 19:36

Tell you what. Trump in power in the US is not in the interest of the West. A united front economically, politically and militarily among European nations (and the UK is a European nation) is the only way to survive.

So you are suggesting a European army? That’s going to go down well….😳

anotherside · 27/02/2025 19:37

Give it another decade and then have another vote.

StandFirm · 27/02/2025 19:36

Tell you what. Trump in power in the US is not in the interest of the West. A united front economically, politically and militarily among European nations (and the UK is a European nation) is the only way to survive.

MountainMash · 27/02/2025 19:36

What a sophisticated understanding of national and international politics you have OP!

TheGoogleMum · 27/02/2025 19:35

I think some people would revolt tbh. I'd rather rejoin but he can't do that without big consequences

Biscuitsnotcookies · 27/02/2025 19:34

Of all the things to suggest op this is harebrained to say the least. The country would descend into chaos and riots overnight, Starmer and the Labour government would fold. We would cease to be a democracy and we would have years, if not decades of unrest and a guaranteed far right Government!

This might be worth it if rejoining was genuinely a solution, but the EU is massively struggling both economically, politically and most of the countries are voting the other way and want less Europe not more. In what universe would it help us to go backwards.

I wonder who these posters are and their intentions, because it feels like it is definitely NOT in the best interests of the UK or even the West.

StandFirm · 27/02/2025 19:34

Our economy is really suffering from the barriers in trade with Europe. It was stupid then and is stupid now. The US will not give us a fair deal. I know Starmer is trying to play both sides but it won't last.

yellowspanner · 27/02/2025 19:31

Of course he shouldn't. I voted leave and don't regret it.
Why should we rejoin just to suit you.

Createausername1970 · 27/02/2025 19:30

ARealitycheck · 27/02/2025 19:26

As many people always said, had our politicians listened to us 20 plus years ago, we would still be EU members. The idea of a custom union within Europe is brilliant. What wasn't brilliant was the creation of a parliament above our own dictating our laws. Likewise unrestricted free movement of people.

Yep!

I was happy with what we joined originally. I was less happy with what it evolved into.

taxguru · 27/02/2025 19:30

ARealitycheck · 27/02/2025 19:26

As many people always said, had our politicians listened to us 20 plus years ago, we would still be EU members. The idea of a custom union within Europe is brilliant. What wasn't brilliant was the creation of a parliament above our own dictating our laws. Likewise unrestricted free movement of people.

I agree. And had Blair actually restricted the free movement from Eastern Europe in the noughties (as most other major EU countries did), then we'd probably never have had Brexit.

ARealitycheck · 27/02/2025 19:26

LaPalmaLlama · 27/02/2025 19:19

He can’t but for all that Trump’s a fucker, he has drawn uk back into the European fold a bit so I think there’s increasing potential for some sort of customs union and freedom of movement for young people concessions.

As many people always said, had our politicians listened to us 20 plus years ago, we would still be EU members. The idea of a custom union within Europe is brilliant. What wasn't brilliant was the creation of a parliament above our own dictating our laws. Likewise unrestricted free movement of people.

SexAndCakes · 27/02/2025 19:24

This is the same sentiment as everyone at the time saying there should be a revote because people didn't understand the referendum.

I voted remain but am staunchly against anything that undermines our system of democracy. If you do away with that we are in serious trouble.

ThankyouBakedP0tato · 27/02/2025 19:21

YABU

You make it sound like it would be very simple to just rejoin the EU and for everything to go back to the way it was 10 years ago at the click of Starmers fingers.

It would just involve another monumental batch of admin and replanning and renegotiation to take place.
It would take years and years and cost a huge amount of taxpayers money. AGAIN

No

ARealitycheck · 27/02/2025 19:21

As a PP said, the EU is not the land of milk and honey many remainers seem to think. If anything our departure along with our money has put Countries like Germany and France in a difficult place financially. They are trying to plug the deficit our payment removal created. Along with having a larger than before economic migrant crisis from other EU countries that they cannot refuse.

JoyousEagle · 27/02/2025 19:20

Ankhmo · 27/02/2025 19:09

I'd rather Starmer realise that FAR FAR FAR more people DIDN'T vote for him than did and completely reform the way government is chosen in this country.

Will he do that? Doubt it, he wouldn't be in power now if it wasn't for the system that got him there.

ETA. I was curious.
From what I can see on Google.
14 million people voted leave in 2016 and just 9 million voted for labour in 2024. I'm sure that means something but... I just find it interesting.

Edited

I'd agree with reform of the voting system. But I do think it's a tad unfair to act as though more people voting for parties other than the winning one is unusual - the Tories have been perfectly happy with the system up until now when it was benefiting them.

The last government that won more than 50% of the votes was when Stanley Baldwin was elected in 1931.

LaPalmaLlama · 27/02/2025 19:19

He can’t but for all that Trump’s a fucker, he has drawn uk back into the European fold a bit so I think there’s increasing potential for some sort of customs union and freedom of movement for young people concessions.

Newrumpus · 27/02/2025 19:17

Bonkers suggestion

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 27/02/2025 19:16

He literally can't.

Even if he could take the decision to rejoin without having a referendum in the UK (although he would still need a majority in parliament for doing that), there would need to be a unanimous yes vote from the EU27 including referendums in several of those countries.

LillyPJ · 27/02/2025 19:16

I doubt if they'd want us back.

MissyB1 · 27/02/2025 19:16

I was wishing it even before the current shit show. But yes I really think he needs to do it - he won't though 🙁

XWKD · 27/02/2025 19:16

It would take years of accession talks. Like other new members, there would need to be a plan to join the euro. Greece would want its treasures back. Ireland would want several paintings it believes it owns. Now go through all the grievances of each member state...

ButterCrackers · 27/02/2025 19:15

Labour agrees with Brexit. People who voted for Labour are in agreement with Brexit. They won the election.

Mittens67 · 27/02/2025 19:14

I do wonder if those who supported brexit would have done so had they known what was coming given how much we need europe more than ever now.
Although the few people I know personally who voted for brexit did so from racism and nostalgia for “the good old days” both of which were stoked up by cummings propaganda and even now don’t seem to appreciate the mess we are in.
I wish starmer would rejoin the eu but realistically there is no way this could be done because those against would make such capital of it being undemocratic as to force him out of office. Even as pm you can only do so much.

BMW6 · 27/02/2025 19:11

You want a Dictatorship here OP?

SophieFichini · 27/02/2025 19:11

At this very moment in time? That wouldn't be very clever, would it?