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Woman 19 dies in dog attack

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Matrixremooted · 27/02/2025 14:10

Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol

Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

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BattIestar · 14/03/2025 14:09

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843850841123882

I am sick of this kind of thing, and I have personally witnessed a dog pooing in a cafe, and one piddling a urine leak.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 14:09

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:56

I am actually not sure that it is true that they are making more money - they probably don't realise how many people are turning away.

I am a member of a sports gym/members' club - there's gym classes, play areas, fancy restaurant plus casual cafe, youth club attached, etc. They put out a survey last year asking if members would support a policy to permit dogs. 96% said NO! 96%!!! Which leads me to believe most people do NOT want dogs around when we are out and about, but the pet owners impose them on the rest of us without caring.

Sadly so many cafes and restaurants allow dogs, it's harder to avoid than ever. I stick to Wagamamas.

Well unless the cafe does a survey and checks its takings before and after the dog ban, allowing for cost of living crisis, Covid etc etc, I guess we are both speculating.

But overall, a trend to allow dogs into more places would suggest it’s something businesses see as beneficial to their bottom line.

The members’ club is one example, but what does that actually tell us? Are you saying country club members are indicative of the entire British population?

My kids’ school has 2 therapy dogs. If they did a survey I would imagine it would be close (high Muslim population) but sensibly, they haven’t because weird beliefs shouldn’t be imposed on anyone.

edit - sorry, that sounds like the weird beliefs are referring to being Muslim. That is absolutely not what I meant to imply.

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 14:02

If it were put to a fair vote, and we could stop dog nutters rallying round and pushing up their votes, I do think the majority of people would vote not to allow dogs in eateries and shopping malls.

I do think it will be rolled back in due course, but I am getting impatient and fed up of seeing dogs everywhere. We will hit peak dog though and eventually they will reduce in number.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64566448#:~:text=A%20scheme%20to%20allow%20dogs,recorded%20over%20the%20trial%20period%22.

is just the start!

Dog outside Silverburn

Dog friendly shopping ends after poo complaints

The Silverburn centre in the south of Glasgow announces it has to prioritise "human guests".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64566448#:~:text=A%20scheme%20to%20allow%20dogs,recorded%20over%20the%20trial%20period%22.

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:59

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:56

There’s a fair amount of scientific papers that show the benefits of dogs, it’s not just blogs on vet pages.

You were either a vegan or a massive hypocrite, so I assumed vegan!

The ecological disaster is a fair argument in terms of climate change, but so are kids, and I don’t want them banned either.

Dog bites have gone up - but is it proportional to dog ownership going up? And who is getting bitten? Mostly owners?

Bad breeding, terrible owners, social media / fashion, more dogs so more likelihood of a wrong ‘un turning up are all important, but I will never be convinced the answer is banning dogs.

They bring me and so many people I know too much joy.

Animals have got me through some serious mental health struggles and there is a reason humans have such a close bond with some species - and I don’t believe that it’s just selfishness on our part.

And they bring me the opposite of joy. If you want to enjoy your joy in your own home, it wouldn't be as much of an issue. The issue is you imposing the dogs on the rest of us.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:57

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:55

i bake well thank you.
i resent that places I have been to and enjoyed for years now let dogs in.
it's revolting and selfish of dog owners.
But you're never going to see that so pointless discussing

The places you’ve gone to for years don’t make enough money from people who hate dogs.

That’s why they let them in.

And if dogs are allowed in, it’s not selfish of owners to take them.

Your issue seems to be with the cafe owners, not the dogs.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:56

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:32

You are right in that my issue with dogs is really the owners, really, but if it weren't for dogs, the owners wouldn't have them, and problem solved.

I have become far more intolerant of dog people, as dog people have become far more awful, and, the number of dogs has also risen.

I do not believe the statistics surrounding the benefits of dogs - I did some research and so much is pushed by dog companies (e.g. pet food companies), and you have to wonder, hm.

I AM vegan, though I don't remember mentioning that, actually, but well-deduced! I do take issue with dogs being used. I think we have enough technology to be able to do away with guide dogs, sniffer dogs and bomb-finding dogs and whatever else they may be useful for, and I wish we could build resilience in people where we found comfort and strength in one another, and not in pets. I also take issue with the negative ecological disaster that is pets (and also people who eat meat, really), and would love to live in a cleaner society.
I don't think the benefits of dogs outweigh the negatives, which I suppose is the main issue. There are so many attacks, and most don't make the news. I see so many posts on fb about them, yet hardly any actually appear in any official news. Which leads me to believe the statistics are far worse than people know. Maybe the deaths and very serious maulings are reported, but there are umpteen pretty serious attacks that go under the radar.

https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/news-and-events/media-centre/press-releases/be-dog-safe/#:~:text=The%20Royal%20College%20of%20Surgeons,bitten%20or%20struck%20by%20dogs.

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There’s a fair amount of scientific papers that show the benefits of dogs, it’s not just blogs on vet pages.

You were either a vegan or a massive hypocrite, so I assumed vegan!

The ecological disaster is a fair argument in terms of climate change, but so are kids, and I don’t want them banned either.

Dog bites have gone up - but is it proportional to dog ownership going up? And who is getting bitten? Mostly owners?

Bad breeding, terrible owners, social media / fashion, more dogs so more likelihood of a wrong ‘un turning up are all important, but I will never be convinced the answer is banning dogs.

They bring me and so many people I know too much joy.

Animals have got me through some serious mental health struggles and there is a reason humans have such a close bond with some species - and I don’t believe that it’s just selfishness on our part.

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:56

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:48

So go to a different cafe.

The simple truth is that the cafe makes more money or gets better reviews from letting dogs in than it does from excluding dog haters like you.

You might not like it, but you don’t get a say in how a business decides to run.

Your power in this situation is going to a dog free cafe or learning to bake.

I am actually not sure that it is true that they are making more money - they probably don't realise how many people are turning away.

I am a member of a sports gym/members' club - there's gym classes, play areas, fancy restaurant plus casual cafe, youth club attached, etc. They put out a survey last year asking if members would support a policy to permit dogs. 96% said NO! 96%!!! Which leads me to believe most people do NOT want dogs around when we are out and about, but the pet owners impose them on the rest of us without caring.

Sadly so many cafes and restaurants allow dogs, it's harder to avoid than ever. I stick to Wagamamas.

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:55

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:48

So go to a different cafe.

The simple truth is that the cafe makes more money or gets better reviews from letting dogs in than it does from excluding dog haters like you.

You might not like it, but you don’t get a say in how a business decides to run.

Your power in this situation is going to a dog free cafe or learning to bake.

i bake well thank you.
i resent that places I have been to and enjoyed for years now let dogs in.
it's revolting and selfish of dog owners.
But you're never going to see that so pointless discussing

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:50

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:47

hence why I said i should have the right

If I want to impose my beliefs that I find it disgusting to have a dog in a food place then I should have every right to.

well in that case, I should have the right to impose my belief that dogs should be allowed everywhere.

Except, that’s not the way for society to work - beliefs should be respected but not imposed.

See also: abortion laws, religion in schools, flat-earthers.

actually, not the last one. I don’t want to fall off the edge next time I get on a plane.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:48

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:33

oh, and restricting a dog to certain areas of a restaurant/ cafe is bollocks.
owners have them on long leads / no leads so they wander anyway
owners don't always sit in the dog only bit
I don't want to be startled by a dog barking every 5 minutes
I find the sight of a dog in a cafe pretty revolting no matter where it is.
( don't bother with saying " but guide dogs" that has been done to death)

So go to a different cafe.

The simple truth is that the cafe makes more money or gets better reviews from letting dogs in than it does from excluding dog haters like you.

You might not like it, but you don’t get a say in how a business decides to run.

Your power in this situation is going to a dog free cafe or learning to bake.

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:47

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:45

Not unless you own the food place.

You can hold the belief, but not impose it.

hence why I said i should have the right

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:45

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:31

more and more places are not dog free and more and more dogs are not on a leash when outside.
If I want to impose my beliefs that I find it disgusting to have a dog in a food place then I should have every right to.

Not unless you own the food place.

You can hold the belief, but not impose it.

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:41

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:39

yes but I think she's vegan so doesn't count 😁

Ha! 😂

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:39

YesHonestly · 14/03/2025 13:37

No, they haven’t. There was a poster a few pages back who said that all dogs should be banned.

yes but I think she's vegan so doesn't count 😁

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:39

YesHonestly · 14/03/2025 13:37

No, they haven’t. There was a poster a few pages back who said that all dogs should be banned.

I said I'd be delighted if they were. I'd settle for banning pet dogs though.

YesHonestly · 14/03/2025 13:37

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:04

Absolutely every person who is sick of dogs has said pet dogs are the problem, not useful ones.

No, they haven’t. There was a poster a few pages back who said that all dogs should be banned.

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:33

oh, and restricting a dog to certain areas of a restaurant/ cafe is bollocks.
owners have them on long leads / no leads so they wander anyway
owners don't always sit in the dog only bit
I don't want to be startled by a dog barking every 5 minutes
I find the sight of a dog in a cafe pretty revolting no matter where it is.
( don't bother with saying " but guide dogs" that has been done to death)

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:32

Be dog safe, warns surgeon as NHS figures show an increase in hospital admissions for dog bites; averaging at nearly 8000 a year
06 Jun 2019
• Latest figures show NHS hospitals have seen an almost 5% increase in dog-related admissions between 2015 and 2018.

• Figures show an average of around 7,693 admissions to NHS hospitals a year for dog-related injuries, with a total of 23,078 between 2015 and 2018.

The Royal College of Surgeons has urged dog lovers to remember that while dogs may be man’s best friend they can, and at times do, bite. Latest NHS Digital figures show that more than 23,000 hospital admissions in the past three years were related to people being bitten or struck by dogs.

Hospital admissions for dog-related injuries increased by nearly 5% over the past three years, with 7,658 admissions in 2015/16, 7,433 in 2016/17 and 7,987 admissions in 2017/18.1 Children and young people, under 18 years old, made up around 21% (4,775) of the total admissions between 2015 and 2018. This is a total of 23,078 hospital admissions for dog-related injuries between 2015 and 2018.

While this increase in admissions could be due to a number of factors, such as people becoming more cautious about getting dog bites checked by a medic; the dog population has stayed pretty stagnant with 24-26% of the UK population reportedly owning a dog.2 However, smaller breeds of dogs have become more popular. The most popular breed in the UK in 2015 was a Labrador, but in 2018 this had switched a smaller breed, the French Bulldog.3

Professor Vivien Lees, a Consultant Plastic Surgeon and Council Member at the Royal College of Surgeons, has urged the public to take extra care when interacting with dogs, as trauma surgeons report seeing a spike in injuries sustained from dog bites.

Professor Lees, who is based in Manchester and often treats dog-related injuries, said:

“Over the past few years I have seen an increase in the number of dog-related injuries I deal with. The injuries range from fairly minor to life changing. Across the UK, 23,078 admissions over the past three years is a strain on the health service and is becoming a public health issue.

“It’s worth remembering that even smaller, less intimidating breeds, such as those that have become more popular,3 are still capable of causing significant damage, particularly to babies. While it’s reassuring that children and young people are not disproportionally being admitted for dog-related injuries, the impact that dog bites have on babies can be fatal and, of course, this is of great concern.

“Being bitten by a dog is a traumatic experience, so learning how best to interact with dogs in a way that prevents injuries is important. If you are bitten by a dog, remember you should always seek medical advice if the bite has broken the skin.”

If bitten by a dog, Professor Lees advises people to:

• Clean the wound immediately by running warm tap water over it for a couple of minutes, even if the skin does not appear to be broken.
• Remove any objects from the bite such as teeth, hair or dirt.
• If the wound is not already bleeding freely then encourage it to do so by gently squeezing it.
• If the wound is bleeding heavily, put a clean pad or sterile dressing over it and apply pressure.
• Dry the wound and cover it with a clean dressing or plaster.
• Seek medical advice.

Dr Carri Westgarth, a lecturer in human-animal interaction at the University of Liverpool, advises the public to get to know their dogs. She says that it is important they learn to read their pet dog’s body language, including the more subtle warning signs, such as excessive lip licking.4

Dr Westgarth, said: “The chance of being bitten by pet dogs is often underestimated because of the relationship that people have with their pets. Many people think that they’re more likely to be bitten by a stranger’s dog but actually most people are bitten by dogs they know.

“Sometimes the assumption is that dogs only bite when provoked and this idea can lead to victim blaming. How people interact with dogs can be an influence, however bite risk can be increased by many other factors such as a dog’s environment or genetics.

“Dog owners can take preventative measures to reduce the risk of their dog(s) biting either owners or others. For instance, careful and considered selection of a dog - only buy dogs from reputable breeders; visit the dog in its home environment and meet its parents to observe their mannerisms; ensure your new dog attends a reputable training class; never leave young children and dogs alone together; and seek immediate professional behavior advice if your dog shows any signs of nervousness or aggression.”

Liverpool postwoman Clair Kami, 26, was delivering mail when she was bitten by a dog. As she knelt down to get a small parcel from her mail satchel, a loose dog which had escaped from a house across the road ran over and attacked her, biting into her lower left leg. Clair fought to get the dog off and her screams alerted nearby neighbours who came to her aid. The dog owner had accidentally left the door and side gate to the house open. The dog owner agreed to have the dog voluntarily destroyed. Clair was admitted to hospital overnight due to the severity of the bite wound and the following morning she underwent emergency surgery to successfully repair her leg.

Ms. Kami said: “The whole experience of being attacked by a dog was shocking and disorienting. I cringe at the idea of it happening to anyone else and I’m forever thankful to the regional burns and plastic surgery team at Whiston hospital who were amazing and worked exceptionally hard to allow me to continue to have mobility in my left leg.

“I would advise dog owners to ensure your dogs are in another room before answering the door and make sure children don’t open the door, as dogs can push by them and attack. Giving your dog food or a toy to occupy them while your mail is being delivered can help keep them calm. Also, if your dog likes to attack your mail person, consider installing a wire letter receptacle. It will protect your post, and your postman’s fingers.”

BattIestar · 14/03/2025 13:32

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 12:09

I admit I have a hierarchy of animals. I won’t eat dogs, cats or horses. Or squid, actually.

It’s not something I feel great about, and I have been vegetarian for periods of my life, but I admire you for being vegan - I wish I had the strength.

I don’t eat meat a lot, but it’s still not zero, and my dog does - I found some veggie dog food and some made from insects but it was mad expensive.

Most of your issues with dogs seem to be with crappy owners, and your opinions on hygiene. Don’t really see how piss on a lamppost is an issue, but I guess if you want to climb it, it might be annoying.

They also bring joy and health benefits to loads of areas - immune system, mental health, cardiovascular health etc.

Some maul people to death, others give disabled people freedom and sniff out cancer.

You are right in that my issue with dogs is really the owners, really, but if it weren't for dogs, the owners wouldn't have them, and problem solved.

I have become far more intolerant of dog people, as dog people have become far more awful, and, the number of dogs has also risen.

I do not believe the statistics surrounding the benefits of dogs - I did some research and so much is pushed by dog companies (e.g. pet food companies), and you have to wonder, hm.

I AM vegan, though I don't remember mentioning that, actually, but well-deduced! I do take issue with dogs being used. I think we have enough technology to be able to do away with guide dogs, sniffer dogs and bomb-finding dogs and whatever else they may be useful for, and I wish we could build resilience in people where we found comfort and strength in one another, and not in pets. I also take issue with the negative ecological disaster that is pets (and also people who eat meat, really), and would love to live in a cleaner society.
I don't think the benefits of dogs outweigh the negatives, which I suppose is the main issue. There are so many attacks, and most don't make the news. I see so many posts on fb about them, yet hardly any actually appear in any official news. Which leads me to believe the statistics are far worse than people know. Maybe the deaths and very serious maulings are reported, but there are umpteen pretty serious attacks that go under the radar.

https://www.rcseng.ac.uk/news-and-events/media-centre/press-releases/be-dog-safe/#:~:text=The%20Royal%20College%20of%20Surgeons,bitten%20or%20struck%20by%20dogs.

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Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:31

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:23

Pet ones are useful. They are good for physical and mental health.

The majority of the country is dog free. There are dog free / dogs on lead parks, loads of restaurants and pubs don’t allow dogs or restrict them to certain areas. Plenty of cafes and shops don’t allow them.

You have choices, so exercise them. No need to impose your own beliefs on others - we aren’t America.

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more and more places are not dog free and more and more dogs are not on a leash when outside.
If I want to impose my beliefs that I find it disgusting to have a dog in a food place then I should have every right to.

Dumbdog · 14/03/2025 13:23

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:04

Absolutely every person who is sick of dogs has said pet dogs are the problem, not useful ones.

Pet ones are useful. They are good for physical and mental health.

The majority of the country is dog free. There are dog free / dogs on lead parks, loads of restaurants and pubs don’t allow dogs or restrict them to certain areas. Plenty of cafes and shops don’t allow them.

You have choices, so exercise them. No need to impose your own beliefs on others - we aren’t America.

Mightymoog · 14/03/2025 13:06

YeOldeGreyhound · 14/03/2025 00:00

And dogs in all the other roles?

I know someone who has several sausages dogs. One is the Vitality ad dog, and is also a trained sniffer dog. The rest are also trained sniffer dogs. She has a collie cross who is trained to sniff for missing people. She has many dogs and they all have jobs or have been in film/TV.

what sniffing job do the friend's daschunds do?
Being in an advert for dog food is not useful btw

Mrsbloggz · 14/03/2025 13:06

I saw a local one when I was out walking yesterday.
I crossed the road as soon as I saw it, then the creature took a shit and I thought oh no what if the woman drops the lead while she's picking up the shit😱