Woman 19 dies in dog attack

Sooner or later ordinary people are going to rise up against dogs and dog owners. The government really needs to crack down on dogs before that happens.

The manipulative little sods even developed a new set of muscles around the eyes to be able to make ‘puppy dog eyes’ at us.

And they say cats are the masters…

Do you really think people are going to click on random YT videos?

If you want to make a point, do it with reliable evidence.

Another XL attack today. A man in West Brom is in hospital. Looks like it was the back garden.

Dogs should at the very least be banned from towns and cities. If people want them they should move to the countryside.

Precisely. It’s feckless owners that are the problem.
Although not in the case of the XL, where I don’t think they should be owned by anyone!!

it's been 5 years since the pandemic kicked off and all the feckless owners rushed out to get their cockadoodledoos which are untrained, cannot be left at home so have to be taken out everywhere, jump up at people and have zero recall.

Hopefully in another 5 or 6 years these animals will be dying off, and their feckless owners will realise that actually having a dog is not for them and life will get back to normal.

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You may find this fascinating:

Totally agree with all of your points here - including feeling obliged to call your dog back.

And the co-evolved thing is fascinating. Don’t they reckon that all dogs have a common ancestor with the wolf (or the common ancestor IS the wolf) and basically what happened was that man and wolf teamed up and both got food out of the deal. They helped each other hunt. And the wolves that ingratiated themselves with humans survived and went on to reproduce and their pups in turn, ingratiated themselves with humans. It’s a millennia long love story.

Since we're trading anecdata, my experience is that more and more dogs are on-lead. I used to very rarely encounter on-lead dogs when walking mine, but since the Covid dog boom and masses of new houses being built locally, I see loads more on-lead dogs. I find it bloody annoying, because I feel obliged to call my own dogs to me, in case the dog is on-lead because it is aggressive - and in any case, on-lead greetings are much more likely to lead to discord between dogs than off-lead ones.

This thread is eye-rollingly bizarre. Humans and dogs have co-evolved for millennia, so clearly living with and dealing with dogs is deeply ingrained into many, many people.

Give over. These dogs are dangerous and have no place in civilised society. How many more people must be killed before this is accepted.

Vitality is not dog food, it is health insurance. The dog in it is also the first sausage dog in the UK to gain high level accreditation for scent work. One of her other dogs is trained to search for missing people, and also missing dogs.

I met a police sniffer dog in the vets. His handler said that dog was specifically trained to detect things like phones and sim cards. I think he was called a "tech dog".

I do wonder when I see cross breeds from vastly different sized dogs.

Spoons it is then!!

I'm a dog owner and lover but I don't expect them to be allowed everywhere, especially where food is served. I think that where they are allowed they should be restricted to a certain area, even if that's outside. There are a lot of country-type pubs in our surrounding area and it's common for dogs to be allowed in the bar but not the lounge which I think works well.

I do find it frustrating where dogs aren't even allowed outside (looking at you 'Spoons), but I get that's their prerogative and, to be fair, Tim Brexit-Spoons has clearly stated he has no intention of changing the policy so if you want dog-free, 'Spoons is your go-to.

Admission: We did once take our dog to a 'Spoons sitooterie not knowing the policy and ordered and paid for breakfast. When the food was brought the waitress told us dogs weren't allowed, we pointed out that there were no signs to that effect outside, so she said we could stay to eat but to keep the dog out of sight and leave as soon as we'd finished.

We were staying 2 nights in the (dogs allowed) hotel next door but dogs weren't allowed in the breakfast area so 'Spoons had seemed the better option. Luckily we could move the car next to the pub so the following morning the poor dog had to sit in the car with the windows open, watching and smelling us eating our full English on the terrace.🐶

Hmm. You didn’t mention allergies until now, but taking them at face value, yes, I can see how it would be restricting.

However, again, it’s not me you have an issue with - it’s the cafe owner. They decide to let dogs in. If they didn’t, me and my dog wouldn’t be there.

I don’t believe anyone has allergies that strong that they can’t be outside in the same vicinity as a dog. Perhaps a vanishingly small number and it’s sad for them, but again, plenty of dog free / dogs on leads green spaces.

The dog poo - completely agree. But again, that’s shitty people. As a side note, there is actual human shit in our local forest because humans are so gross.

Nauseous with the smell? That says mental disorder to me (or drama llama). Sad, but again, not something we can legislate around unless it affects the majority of the population.

I don’t impose my dog on you. I exist in the world, with a dog, in accordance with the laws and local ordinances.

You believe they shouldn’t exist.

We are both free to live our lives and make choices so they are our best ones - but you cannot impose your beliefs on me, any more than I could declare I believe everyone should have a dog and force you to have one.

And if we start allowing blanket bans on dog ownership just because some people don’t like them, where does that end? What else will people believe they can get banned? Should we ban all other pets too? How about cars? They smell, pollute the environment and can be dangerous too.

All of the arguments against dog ownership are actually arguments against shitty dog owners. If we look at it this way, then we can actually be in agreement.

I love dogs and plan on getting one myself. However, I would support having to hold a dog license - I would support having to go through mandatory training to own a dog to get a license, the same way you have to go through mandatory training before you can get a driving license. This would weed out the half arsed “I fancy a dog but don’t want to put the work in” owners and mean the general dog population would be well trained, well socialised and far easier to be around for everyone.

I would support harsher fines for having dogs off lead in areas they aren’t supposed to as well as not picking up after your dog and definitely harsher repercussions if your dog attacks someone else or someone else’s pet or livestock.

I wouldn’t be in favour of a blanket ban of them being allowed in business premises - that should be up to whomever owns the business and dog haters can go elsewhere (the same way that someone who doesn’t like being around children wouldn’t go and have a coffee at their local soft play) but better dog owners would make this a better experience for everyone, anyway.

And if you allow your dog to relieve itself inside one of those premises you get kicked out. Simple.

We do not need to ban all dogs. We need to ban shitty owners from owning dogs.

But you are imposing your physical animal on me, or, as I do actually avoid dogs as much as possible, restricting my life.

My beliefs don't make you nauseous with the smell, or sneezy with allergies. My beliefs don't leave shit on your shoe, or on the wheels of my kids' bikes/scooters/rollerblades.

Well the rise in dog ownership and increased acceptance in cafes and shops suggests you are in the minority.

Again, you are free to hold whatever beliefs you wish, but you cannot impose them on others.

Well I haven’t. Do we cancel each other out?

Enough random anecdata.

No, I’m not.

You are free to exist anywhere. If you don’t want to share the air with my dog, it is incumbent on you to leave, not me.

My dog is on a lead where the law mandates, he is not allowed in places where dogs are banned.

If I was invited to your house, I wouldn’t bring him, and I would happily put him elsewhere if you came to mine.

But I’m sure as shit not going to pander to anyone’s nonsense about not wanting to exist in proximity to him.

And I and many others think it is weird to like dogs.

Was the dad a sausage dog with a step ladder?