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Matrixremooted · 2025-02-27T14:10:50+00:00

[[https://news.sky.com/story/woman-19-dies-in-dog-attack-in-bristol-two-people-arrested-13318074 Woman 19 dies in dog attack in Bristol]] Apologies if there’s already a thread on this, but how many more lives have to be taken in these horrific attacks before the Government admit that the current measures are failing. It surely has come to the point now that all XL Bullies should be euthanised.

Bignanna · 27/02/2025 16:09

It’s not just XL bullies though. There are other dangerous breeds.

KathrynWheel · 27/02/2025 16:08

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 14:31

My friend is a XL bully owner, her DH is a police dog trainer. In the right hands these dogs are no different to any other large breed. Yeah I know not all are owned by people with his experience and capabilities. He's a much loved, well behaved family pet and very affectionate dog who tends to drool on you a lot.

I don't believe any of this.

VintageFollie · 27/02/2025 16:06

Derbee · 27/02/2025 14:35

I think they should all be euthanised. One of the biggest problems (see above post) is people who think their XL Bully is different. They think they’re well trained/soft/friendly/part of the family etc. Until they do what they are bred to do/be and they are suddenly unrecognisable from the beloved dog that their owner thought was different.

The danger is twofold. The dogs, and the person who is in denial about what these dogs actually are at their core.

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They all think their's is different.

Queenofparcels · 27/02/2025 16:05

GottaGetOutofDairy · 27/02/2025 15:56

Yeah - as that link confirms, it's a bit of an urban myth.

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I disagree,

www.rd.com/list/bulldog-breeds/

"Some bulldogs need to have their face wrinkles cleaned with a dry tissue, used fabric softener sheet or cotton swab every day, like Dr. Wysaski’s current bulldog, Cauliflower. She notes that the wrinkles served a practical yet grotesque purpose when bulldogs were used in bull-baiting: “They could hang on to the nose of the bull, and of course, that would produce a lot of bleeding, and the nose wrinkle would funnel that blood away from the eyes and nostrils,” she says. Luckily, today’s owners only need to worry about food and moisture in the area."

Donttellempike · 27/02/2025 16:04

GottaGetOutofDairy · 27/02/2025 15:42

I am not necessarily anti ban or a fan of these breeds but in the name of fairness I did recently sit next to one in the vet waiting room. It was muzzled, on a short strong lead and I found her to be a really sweet and charming dog.

It was my springer on his way past her that barked at her. Idiot that he is. She ignored him, thankfully.

All fine then. 😳

In other news. Dr Shipman was a great GP. When he wasn’t murdering his patient

oakleaffy · 27/02/2025 16:01

Delphigirl · 27/02/2025 15:55

How would enforcing muzzling in public have assisted this 19 year old who was killed in her own flat, pray tell?

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Was it her own flat with visitors?
Poor woman.

YourHappyJadeEagle · 27/02/2025 16:00

I’ve never been afraid of any dog but I’d never go anywhere near an XL Bully.
The exemption certificates mean nothing. Just says you’re owning one legally, it can still kill and maim.
They should all be euthanised. There’s been at least 3 attacks in the last week.

oakleaffy · 27/02/2025 15:59

Seems this dog wasn’t registered- and also took place on a rough council estate- Riot vans had to turn up - Absolutely stereotypical, sadly.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 27/02/2025 15:58

I'm in favour of a cull, it's getting ridiculous now.

The legal system is too bloody slow

GottaGetOutofDairy · 27/02/2025 15:56

Queenofparcels · 27/02/2025 15:54

That information was from a friend who had French Bulldogs. Her dogs were neutered and from show stock.

https://www.dogster.com/dog-health-care/why-do-bulldogs-have-wrinkles

Yeah - as that link confirms, it's a bit of an urban myth.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 27/02/2025 15:55

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 15:00

Oh for god sake all I said was that he was a well behaved trained dog! His owner is a police dog trainer and very experienced! He's muzzled when he goes out and never off his leash.
I didn't say he didn't have the potential to turn, all dogs do and yes their sheer size and power make it impossible to do anything if they do.
Years ago it was the rotty, then the staffy, now it's the XL bully, and in a few years time it'll be another breed.

Has it escaped you that plenty of killings have occurred while the dog is indoors and not muzzled?

These dogs were specifically bred to be intimidating killing machines. It’s not their fault, but it means that they can’t be trusted in the same way that many of us would trust other breeds.

Delphigirl · 27/02/2025 15:55

ThatLemonBear · 27/02/2025 14:41

Leaving aside the fact that, as far as I know, the dog involved in this tragic incident hasn’t been confirmed as a XL bully….. I think the focus needs to be on enforcing the law e.g. muzzled in public etc rather than summary mass culling. The breed will naturally disappear in the UK over the next few years, as dogs die and the breeding ban means no replacement. There absolutely does need to be a focus on enforcing the law in the meantime IMO

How would enforcing muzzling in public have assisted this 19 year old who was killed in her own flat, pray tell?

Queenofparcels · 27/02/2025 15:54

That information was from a friend who had French Bulldogs. Her dogs were neutered and from show stock.

https://www.dogster.com/dog-health-care/why-do-bulldogs-have-wrinkles

Wolfiefan · 27/02/2025 15:54

Read the report. It’s not even confirmed it’s an xl bully yet.

Berroca · 27/02/2025 15:51

I absolutely adore dogs but I agree that there is no place for an XL bully in a domesticated setting. I saw one recently and it was very sweet and well behaved, but I'm sure they all are - until they aren't.

We had a staffy cross / Labrador for 10 years until he passed away and I never completely trusted him although he never once showed any malice and was mainly Labrador. I absolutely wouldn't trust an XL bully no matter how sweet it seemed, and the videos of people showing them off as misunderstood and 'nanny dogs' around their children make my blood run cold.

Darkwaters · 27/02/2025 15:50

A school friend adopted an XL bully who was going to be euthanised when the ban came into effect. He was a ‘big softie, great with kids, amazing dog etc’ 🙄. The XL bully turned on another dog in the house - the attacked dog survived, friend no longer has XL bully and as a result of the incident is no longer allowed to have grandson for a sleepover.

The dogs can’t help it as they were bred to be dangerous. They need to be euthanised.

Ohapal · 27/02/2025 15:50

GottaGetOutofDairy · 27/02/2025 15:42

I am not necessarily anti ban or a fan of these breeds but in the name of fairness I did recently sit next to one in the vet waiting room. It was muzzled, on a short strong lead and I found her to be a really sweet and charming dog.

It was my springer on his way past her that barked at her. Idiot that he is. She ignored him, thankfully.

I’ve had similar in a puppy training class. Best behaved dog was a Rottweiler puppy. Whilst my small dog was a naughty bugger. But the difference is, if my small dog was in pain/irritable and bit me as hard as he could, it would cause a graze. That’s it. Whereas the ones with the major bite force - if they turn due to illness/pain/whatever, then someone is going to die.

EasternStandard · 27/02/2025 15:49

All good. Til they bite your arm off

Or worse

Donttellempike · 27/02/2025 15:48

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 14:31

My friend is a XL bully owner, her DH is a police dog trainer. In the right hands these dogs are no different to any other large breed. Yeah I know not all are owned by people with his experience and capabilities. He's a much loved, well behaved family pet and very affectionate dog who tends to drool on you a lot.

All good. Til they bite your arm off

Hazeby · 27/02/2025 15:47

GottaGetOutofDairy · 27/02/2025 15:42

I am not necessarily anti ban or a fan of these breeds but in the name of fairness I did recently sit next to one in the vet waiting room. It was muzzled, on a short strong lead and I found her to be a really sweet and charming dog.

It was my springer on his way past her that barked at her. Idiot that he is. She ignored him, thankfully.

The thing is, they’re all like that until one day they’re not.

That’s the problem really - if they were snarling and aggressive all the time then no one would have one.

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 27/02/2025 15:47

Bignanna · 27/02/2025 15:42

Is that supposed to be a comfort, the fact that it was someone who had consented to be around the dog?
I hate it when some say that there’s no such thing as bad dogs, only bad owners,because it isn’t true. However good an owner, the fact is that the dog has been bred to have specific traits of aggression and won’t ever change.

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Well no comfort to the dead woman or her family now, for sure, but still an active choice. I have far more sympathy for the people who have been killed or seriously injured by these dogs when they are just going about their business in public.

Anyone who is actively choosing to be around dogs of this type now is doing so with full knowledge of what they're capable of. You can't legislate against stupid.

GottaGetOutofDairy · 27/02/2025 15:47

The folds on their faces were there to stop the bull's blood running into their eyes.

I think this is a load of old cod. It doesn't even make a lot of sense as blood would come of a smooth face cleaner without all the wrinkles, and the eyes would be a lot more effective without them.

WonderingAboutThus · 27/02/2025 15:47

greyeyedwonder · 27/02/2025 14:31

My friend is a XL bully owner, her DH is a police dog trainer. In the right hands these dogs are no different to any other large breed. Yeah I know not all are owned by people with his experience and capabilities. He's a much loved, well behaved family pet and very affectionate dog who tends to drool on you a lot.

I think you're wrong, but even if you were right, none of these people coming across that horrific dog are going to be aware that they don't have to be scared because this XL bully has Very Special Owners.

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Matrixremooted · 27/02/2025 15:47

Queenofparcels · 27/02/2025 15:43

I've always said that if you plan to get a dog do some research about the breed and what it was originally bred to do.

All bull breeds were bred to bait bulls and to hang on to the poor bull until their teeth met. This is what is known as a "death grip".
The folds on their faces were there to stop the bull's blood running into their eyes.
All their strength in in their shoulders and neck, and they are very well muscled in that area.
I went to a dog show years ago where two bull terriers got into a fight and the owners couldn't separate them. One dog had the other by the throat, A vet had to come and give an injection so the dog would release it's grip.
I used to show a dalmatian dog that weighed 53 kg. He needed at least 2 hours a day free running. I took him to obedience classes and make him do obedience work to stop boredom.
Many dogs are aggressive/destructive because they are bored.

I'm a dog lover and am reluctant to call for the euthanasia of this breed but I understand now some breeders are producing a new type called "gatormouths" that have huge heads and jaws.
I can't see the reason for this and it is downright dangerous IMO

https://www.quora.com/How-are-gatormouth-pit-bulls-as-family-pets

That is terrifying- they really look like something that nightmares are made of.

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Funnywonder · 27/02/2025 15:46

Another terrible tragedy. What an awful awful way to die.

There was a woman on our local Facebook page who posted a rambling, aggressive, self pitying rant about how people were giving her dirty looks when she was out walking her un-muzzled XL bully puppy. Called them all the names of the day and claimed that she was a responsible dog owner whose dog would be properly trained and wouldn't be a danger to anyone. She said all the ignoramuses who disapproved should come over and talk to her (yeah, right) instead of judging her and that the puppy was too young to wear a muzzle yet. There was, of course, a massive bun fight. She had plenty of supporters. She eventually took the post down when someone asked her how she had got her hands on an XL puppy when nobody was supposed to be breeding them anymore.

And this is what worries me. I'm not holding my breath waiting for these dreadful dogs to disappear naturally. I think it will take a lot longer than it should while people continue to breed them illegally.