Woman 19 dies in dog attack

That poster hates dogs, hates people who have dogs, and is just a hateful person in general.
They will benefit from having a dog.

Wrong.

Humans get ill from stuff spread by other humans, not dogs.

I really don’t get the argument about it being unhygienic to be around a dog. What do we usually use hygiene for? To keep things clean in order that we don’t get sick. That’s why you wash your hands after the toilet and (I hope) shower frequently and try and keep your home clean. Germs spread in unhygienic environments (ever had a kid in nursery? I’ve never been so ill in my life!) but I have just never heard of dog owners getting consistently ill just from owning a dog!
Of course, you have to manage aspects of it in that way. You won’t pick up poo with your bare hands and then give your nose a good pick or chew your finger nails afterwards, but you won’t get ill just from being in the vicinity of a dog. I think you’re more likely to get germs from other humans.

Yes, a dog! Good for mental health, immune system, and blood pressure.

I think they need a hobby.

Or a pet?

Rabbits eat their own shit too.

Ok, and?

Taking it at face value because I am not watching YT nonsense, what’s the point you are trying to make?

Incomplete digestion leaves nutrition in stool. It’s gross to us that dogs in the past would eat it, but it’s pretty good from an ecological standpoint point. Less waste, food cycle and all that.

Most of your issues with dogs seem to be around hygiene.

It’s worth digging into the myriad studies that show living with a dog is beneficial to health - eg kids who live with dogs have much lower rates of asthma and allergies, for example. Living with a dog also vastly improves the breadth of gut flora.

So whilst a knee jerk reaction is that something is unhygienic, the reality is that being around dogs is increasingly shown to be beneficial to health.

I don't think hating dogs so much serves you any purpose. It must be so exhausting to be so full of so much hate all the time.
What do your dog hating comments actually do for you? What do you actually gain from posting about it?

Why do you just keep repeating the same thing over and over again? Are you a bot?

Dogs serve no useful purpose and are inflicted on people who do not want to be near dogs.

I have the 'potential to kill a human being'.
A car/bus/horse/off food/alcohol/swimming in the sea/skiing/mountain climbing/sky diving/working with chemicals/never leaving the house but getting carbon monoxide poisoning anyway all have potential to kill us, should they all be banned?

A lot of people don't understand the importance of pet and sport dogs to the supply and training of working dogs with serious jobs.

The protection sports (IGP, Mondioring etc) are an important seedbed for new ideas for how to train police, military, anti-poaching etc dogs. The people who work the dogs don't have the time or (often) the expertise to tinker about with training techniques, but the bods who are serious about the sports do. They want to win, if only to prove their own training, and dogs are their entire life (they often fund their sport by breeding and training dogs). Because they want to win, they are highly motivated to find the best ways of training the dogs. Some of the sports demand that the dog has a positive and energetic attitude, so keeping the dog happy while being under control is part of it.

I suspect the same is true of eg spaniels used for drug detection and similar. Without the enormous pool of working gundogs to dip into, government agencies would be hard pressed to maintain a suitably diverse and healthy gene pool to provide the dogs they need.

And without the pet market to find homes for dogs who don't quite make the grade as gundogs, what would happen? I've got one as a pet who is unlikely ever to work because her personality is just not suited to it, despite her breeding. I give her the outlet she needs, but I can't work her, though I work my other dog.

Fed to zoo animals. I have seen that suggested on there about XL bullys.

Are you after show/pet or working lines?
Because the workers are higher maintenance.

I have a high maintenance breed (possibly something you might have been considering if you were after a gundog breed), not so much in terms of the hours being exercised, but rather working their brains and giving them things to think about. Life has been bonkers just recently, but I've still had to find the headspace at least a few times a week to give our two dogs what they need. And actually, doing that has been good for me as it has forcibly jolted me into a different mindset.

To train the two of them, I have had to learn a lot about how they think, what they respond to and what they want. I work the older dog, and the feeling of cooperation with an animal of a different species is very special.

Sure, dogs have some disgusting habits, and they have big teeth, but a well-trained, well-mannered dog can bring so much to your life.

So, to those who think dogs should be banned as pets but kept as service dogs, what would you suggest is done to the dogs if they don’t quite make the mark? If they go through all the training to be a guide dog, police dog, sniffer dog or whatever but they don’t quite get to the standard they should… should they be euthanised?

Maybe you should move to your own remote island with no dogs. I bet you will still complain though.

All dogs have the potential to kill a human being. Which is why they should be banned. And that's not to mention all the other mess and disturbance they cause. Robo dogs are far better in every way.

Was this another XL attack? The article doesn’t state.

Right

I couldn’t agree with you more.
I am in the process of looking for a Labrador puppy. They are working dogs. I will not treat my dog like a human. He will be loved and cared for and well trained so he has good doggy manners. I want to understand him and for him to understand me. I think this is where maybe most people fall down. They get a dog based on how it looks and that it’s cute and then don’t realise how much looking after they require, beyond even the basics of cleaning up after them, feeding them and walking them. I think, for some breeds anyway, they are more of a lifestyle choice and a hobby as well as being a companion. I can’t wait to learn more about dog psychology and training etc!

FWIW, I initially had my heart set on an even more high maintenance breed but had to be sensible and decided that it just wasn’t the right time for me but maybe in the future.

The irony being that arguing in favour of dog ownership on this thread has made me even more determined to get one

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/man-seriously-injured-dog-attack-31205899

Seems at least it was the man's choice to be in that garden, at least, I hope it was. I have no sympathy for dog owners who get mauled by their own dogs, or for people who choose to visit people with dogs.

It's a great channel I followed in the past (she seems to have tailed off posting now, made enough great points), but basically it points out the dogs evolved with humans in great part because before we had toilets and modern plumbing, we had to shit here and there, and dogs would eat that alllllll up. Really worth a watch - I have just rewatched it - she cites various studies, and is super well-researched. The reliable evidence is all there.

Yeah, something like that, over many millennia.

Dogs are thought to descend from an extinct sub-species of wolf. From what I know of human cultures where hunter-gathering was still a key component of food supply within living memory, dogs were not pets, that were assistants in the hunt: tracking, finding and bringing to bay. Some cultures still have this relationship with their dogs: they feed them and care for them, but the dog isn't there to look cute, the dog is there as a functional and productive member of the group.

But to work with a dog, you need to understand it, and it's from that understanding that close bonds develop between human and dog. I think that if more people actually did things with their dogs, rather than treating them like toddlers, canine behaviour would improve massively.

Ordinary people don’t even rise up against things that really matter like corruption, inequality, bigotry.

No one is collectively organising against labradors.