Woman 19 dies in dog attack

Not sad at all - just terribly illegal. Call the police each and every time you see one outdoors without both a lead and a muzzle.

Oh, I get out alright without the dogs. I just get out MORE because I have them.

And as a PP said, you'd better avoid the countryside. Horseshit on lanes. Fox poo in the grass. Goose shit beside the pond. There are animals everywhere: I once got crapped on by a chicken roosting in a tree. Amazingly, I survived.

Dogs and humans have co-existed for millennia. I hope they continue to co-exist for many more to come.

You'd soon change your tune if it was your child.
I'm not suggesting letting them rampage around, am I? I'm suggesting a licensing system.

Personally I avoid XLs if I see them when out with my dogs. Not necessarily because they're muscle dogs, but because of their body language and the fact that the ones I've seen have a complete lack of engagement with their owners. The Dobes, Rotties and Malinois I've come across locally have all been nice dogs.

'stupidity'?

According to the Health and Safety Executive most of the people killed by cows are farmers and farm workers. So I think you calling them stupid is down to your ignorance of farming and general stupidity.

Don't move out of your 'hygenic' housing estate @BattIestar you'd hate it here in the country! And please don't set up a camera to see the wildlife pissing and shitting in your 'hygenic' gardens, parks and streets or you'll never go out of the house. On second thoughts ..

I am amazed how small and judgemental a lot of your lives seem to be - you are living in a different country that I simply don't recognise. Only on Mumsnet do I ever hear such bonkers rabid views!

@BattIestar you sound unhinged

Are you actually a real person with this actual
opinion

I don’t trust people who hate animals. Especially dogs.

By definition, dogs are not vermin. And if you have such a problem with dogs, then you should be the one to stay at home.
Some people don't like dogs, and that is fine... but there is no need to show such hatred for people who have their lives enriched by dogs. I am sure there are better things to use your energy on, to be honest.
My dog saved my life when I was really low. She keeps me going. Not everyone is blessed with pleasant people in their life, and not every is "blessed" with a neurotypical brain that means they find human relationships easy.
People can and do have a wonderful bond with their dogs. And right now, we need more love in the world.

Edit - that was aimed at @BattIestar

Yes...and they intimidate people, i wouldn't let my child run around a park if there was that type of dog running around.... You can have a great relationship with larger dogs without things that can tear you apart.

No need for them is there?

TBF the differences between murders via guns and dog deaths is pretty small ... 22 vs 16 in 2023.

There should be a general licensing system for all dogs, monies raised would pay for enforcement... we cannot have 19 yo's or anyone else torn apart, minding their own business, because somebody wants a large and potential vicious dog.

You'd soon change your tune if it was your child.

Cows aren't going to kill me because I'd never be in the vicinity of a cow. I would not put myself in that danger. Dogs, the filthy vermin, are everywhere, and impossible to avoid. I HATE that they are imposed on us. If you want to have a dog, I really think it should be contained to your house, and you should only have one if you have a big enough garden to use. Or there could be pockets of housing estates where they are permitted, and leave the rest of us to a more hygienic way of life, free from the incessant howling and barking and whining and yapping and growling.

I would be more than happy for cows to disappear too. We could just stop breeding them.

I find it beyond sad that people can't get themselves out of the house unless they have a dog. I despair for the fortitude of people's psyches when they claim they can't manage without their mangy mutt.

Every available stat I can says it's cows

Let's at least get our facts right.
The gun death stats I gave were for homicides.
I think I said earlier I this thread that there is an argument for having a licensing scheme for certain breeds of dog - not of the dog, but the owner. Plenty of people keep Dobermans and Rotties perfectly safely.

Cows seem to kill about 5 people per annum (according to the She).
Dogs used to kill between 2 and 5 people. This went up steeply from 6 in 2022 to 16 in 2023 (according to ONS).

One in every three UK households has a dog and there are plenty of reasons to keep them. They protect the house, provide companionship, are a means of daily exercise, are very funny and extremely loving and loyal. They have been in our society for thousands and thousands of years. Who are you to tell other people what pet they should keep?

Silly comment
The people being killed by cows are usually down to their own stupidity. The cows aren't in our homes or on our streets as pets.

Idiots in my area now going all out for Cane Corso. Being sold as "non XL" but still fit the bill for the type of people who bought XL.

Cows kill more people than dogs.

See my link above (I know it's the DMirror but the figures look sound). Cows are the most dangerous animal in the UK.

But these dogs, whether they are dangerous or not, have the ability to turn without warning which I think is the problem. Any other breed of dog will give warning before attack, while the XL seems to just turn and attack in a stone cold killer way, rather than trying to drive away a menace, as most others will. They turn with the intention of killing.

And I dont want a cat as a pet - I'm allergic, I don't like them and they kill birds and shit in other people's gardens.

I could as easily say to you - nobody needs a cat as a pet @OonaStubbs

Dogs are great. I don't even think of XL bullies in the same category as normal dogs. They are bred to kill.

Ridiculous.

There are hundreds of breeds of dogs that can safely and loyally bring years of love, joy and companionship to their owners.

Nobody needs an XL Bully.

Irrelevant.

We don't need large powerful dogs that cannot be stopped once they attack & its not just Bullies either.

We need cows and the vast majority of those gun deaths will be suicides or illegal weapons.

May as well bring up deaths caused by stairs or ladders.

Bullshit.
2023, the last year for which stats are available:
Gun deaths (homicides, will have been others - accidental deaths and so on): 29
Deaths caused by dog bites: 16 - which was unusually high, prior years had all been in single digits.

There are a lot of guns in the UK, more than most people realise, but they are tightly controlled.
Dogs kill more people than cows. Cows kill about 4 people a year. I'm pretty sure farm machinery kills a lot more than that.

Personally, I am not a fan of XL bullies. But lets at least get our facts straight.

I ve long had dogs, got a GSP atm.. & have a wonderful bond with her. Dogs, as someone once said to me "Are always so fucking happy to see you"

But unless you re blind to the dangers, no one needs a XL Bully or any other Dog that a normal person cannot bring back under control if they were to attack someone.

This is the issue here, these things are intimidating, even when behaving well, when they aren't only a gun will stop them.

They need to be banned out right and DDA revisited to stop this from occuring again.

Am fairly sure its cows that kill the most humans?

Dogs don't kill more people than any other animal. In this country, that would be the cow, who attack (and kill) several thousand people a year.

But nobody is trying to ban cows, are they?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-cows-named-uks-most-30956262