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To think that Trump is not going to honor any agreement about Ukraine

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FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 13:34

I'm seeing that Starmer is going over to say to Trump that he should offer security guarantees with the deal with Ukraine.

I just don't believe that Trump or America will honor any agreement made.

And what consequences can we leverage on them to make them do so? I'm not sure there enough levers to do so.

We've allowed them to have an outsize influence on world affairs and now the tiger is eating our face.

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MrsPernicious · 27/02/2025 14:24

Some countries, especially the BRICS, are talking about UN peace keepers in Ukraine.

Maitri108 · 27/02/2025 14:21

Here's a thorough analysis for those made of strong stuff.

CaveMum · 27/02/2025 14:18

80+ years of accumulated global soft power has now been obliterated.

Even after Trump is gone, trust in the US will be non-existent as other countries will always worry about “the next guy” tearing things up a la Trump.

Until now, governments could always trust that whether Republican or Democrat, the man behind the desk in the White House would always adhere to social norms and follow the principles established after WWII. That is gone and will take generations, if ever, to get that back.

Sampler · 27/02/2025 14:16

To lower the tone somewhat - Trump is Putins bum boy and will do anything he says so I’d not be confident he’d honour any agreement outside what his hero wants. It will be interesting to see how Putin plays this as it could go tits up.

coldandfrostymorning23 · 27/02/2025 14:14

The Budapest Memoranda of 1994 offered Ukraine security guarantees backed by Russia, US and UK in return for Ukraine getting rid of its nuclear arsenal. China and France agreed similar (slightly weaker) guarantees at the same time.

So as far as I can see security guarantees are not worth the paper they are written on where the US is concerned.

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 27/02/2025 14:13

Agreements entered into under duress aren't legally binding. Can't establish whether it meets the international threshold for economic duress as I'm not a lawyer but good luck to the USA to enforce it down the line. In any case, if Putin wants the metals, he'll go after them and he has already secured substantial reserves as I understand in the disputed areas currently under Russian occupation.

Either way the whole thing leaves a very bad taste. Trump has essentially twisted Zellenskys arm behind his back like the massive bully he is, in full view of the whole world and both USA and Russia are now blatant in that the whole thing, the tens of thousands dead, maimed and injured was over resources which would have been sold to the highest bidder and freely available on global markets irrespective.

Kendodd · 27/02/2025 14:13

I agree.
Trump loves Putin.

Maitri108 · 27/02/2025 14:11

Trump wants to work with Putin and I doubt either will honour any agreements. They've both broken them anyway. When Ukraine gave up their weapons, they were promised that Russia wouldn't invade and the US would help protect them.

There's talk of Musk giving Russia use of Starlink. They've gone to the dark side.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 27/02/2025 14:04

Trump has no honour so he won’t.

The trick is, I think, to get something agree that doesn’t require him to do anything in his term of office, or where anything he might have to do is in his self interest.

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 14:01

Can any world leader honestly head into any negotiations with him, knowing all this?
This whole approaching him and hoping for the best doesn't seem to be working out.
He's a loon and the country is going to be a basket case for the foreseeable.

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528htz · 27/02/2025 13:40

Trump changes his mind with every bowel movement it seems. He's not even a functional person, let alone a responsible or trustworthy one. Probably has a personality disorder and we all know how much chaos and misery they can cause.

I think the only leverage Ukraine has are the minerals, but I can't even imagine how that's going to work. The world is in for a chaotic four years.