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To think that Trump is not going to honor any agreement about Ukraine

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FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 13:34

I'm seeing that Starmer is going over to say to Trump that he should offer security guarantees with the deal with Ukraine.

I just don't believe that Trump or America will honor any agreement made.

And what consequences can we leverage on them to make them do so? I'm not sure there enough levers to do so.

We've allowed them to have an outsize influence on world affairs and now the tiger is eating our face.

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OneLemonDog · 27/02/2025 18:19

Kendodd · 27/02/2025 17:55

What could Putin possibly have on Trump that would make any difference though? This is a man who has been found by a court in the US to have raped someone. We all watched Jan 6th unfold. He's boasted about grabbing women 'by the pussy'. He refused to release his tax return. Has described himself as 'smart' for not paying taxes.

We saw it all.
It made no difference.

It's true. Even if the rumored "pee tape" were real, and Russia released it, all it would cause is an increased uptake in water sports by Republican voters.

-If- it is real, Trump probably feared it's release at one time. He doesn't need to anymore.

UnderHisEeyore · 27/02/2025 18:17

I think earlier on Putin may have had something on him. Now I think they are a double act and merrily preparing to raid the world for fossil fuels together.

Kendodd · 27/02/2025 17:55

unsync · 27/02/2025 17:10

As they are not honouring the current agreement, no, the US can no longer be trusted or seen as credible. The same is of course also the case with Russia, but then that's not a new development.

It is clear that Trump is nothing but a puppet. Based on Trump's record of womanising and amoral behaviour, I bet the FSB has got some 'interesting' material which is being leveraged in Putin's favour.

What could Putin possibly have on Trump that would make any difference though? This is a man who has been found by a court in the US to have raped someone. We all watched Jan 6th unfold. He's boasted about grabbing women 'by the pussy'. He refused to release his tax return. Has described himself as 'smart' for not paying taxes.

We saw it all.
It made no difference.

unsync · 27/02/2025 17:10

As they are not honouring the current agreement, no, the US can no longer be trusted or seen as credible. The same is of course also the case with Russia, but then that's not a new development.

It is clear that Trump is nothing but a puppet. Based on Trump's record of womanising and amoral behaviour, I bet the FSB has got some 'interesting' material which is being leveraged in Putin's favour.

petermaddog · 27/02/2025 16:45

i think he is afraid of putin too many murders and trump is a coward/ money (he gets 400,000 per yr) still has to pay for suits from women and he really is deep indebt

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 16:30

@NDornotND indeed! We could be in for a long spell with him.

Welcome to the era of the American bully.

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NDornotND · 27/02/2025 16:22

@Dotjones "Trump will be gone in a few years"

Will he? Will he, though? 🤔

IdaGlossop · 27/02/2025 16:18

coldandfrostymorning23 · 27/02/2025 16:02

I think the Royal Family are going to have to bite the bullet and marry off one of the girls to Baron Trump… That’s what they would have done in the past.

Great idea. Who should it be? Do we know that Baron is heterosexual? Charlotte is too young. Louise has a boyfriend. Perhaps BT could wait for Lilibet then he would have Meghan Markle as his mother-in-law. That would delight The Donald.

UnderHisEeyore · 27/02/2025 16:12

To me it seems Russia is doing US dirty work for them. Estonia or anywhere else US fancies near Russie will be next.

EasternStandard · 27/02/2025 16:11

IdaGlossop · 27/02/2025 15:18

This is the reaction I expect from Starmer's visit to Trump: a warm reception, especially to the rumoured invite to Balmoral; defence budget of 2.5% of GDP by 2027 is not enough; USA will not provide a backstop to keep the peace in Ukraine; a wild card that not even experienced commentators have thought of; a random phonecall in the middle of the meeting- 'I'm here with Prime Minister Starmer. He's a nice guy. We're having a beautiful discussion. Britain is a beautiful country. Nice people. Nice people. I've been there a lot.'

Very good. There's a really good guy on IG who talks about dumplings and his voice is a great impression. Makes be laugh

Dotjones · 27/02/2025 16:08

I think the bigger danger is that Putin won't honour any agreement with Ukraine. Trump will be gone in a few years, Putin will be in his position until he dies. As he gets closer to death the more risks he will be prepared to take to ensure his name is forever remembered - and more importantly, the older he gets the less his life matters to him, so a nuclear annihilation of the planet won't be much of a concern to him. He's often said that if there is no Russia, there need be no world. I think he sees himself as Russia. Without him there's no Russia, therefore without him there need not be a world.

Maitri108 · 27/02/2025 16:04

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 16:01

Thank goodness we don't have any of the recent Conservative leaders as PM right now, they didn't have an ounce of sense or judgement. Hoping Starmer does.

Badenoch would be joining them.

coldandfrostymorning23 · 27/02/2025 16:02

IdaGlossop · 27/02/2025 15:18

This is the reaction I expect from Starmer's visit to Trump: a warm reception, especially to the rumoured invite to Balmoral; defence budget of 2.5% of GDP by 2027 is not enough; USA will not provide a backstop to keep the peace in Ukraine; a wild card that not even experienced commentators have thought of; a random phonecall in the middle of the meeting- 'I'm here with Prime Minister Starmer. He's a nice guy. We're having a beautiful discussion. Britain is a beautiful country. Nice people. Nice people. I've been there a lot.'

I think the Royal Family are going to have to bite the bullet and marry off one of the girls to Baron Trump… That’s what they would have done in the past.

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 16:01

Thank goodness we don't have any of the recent Conservative leaders as PM right now, they didn't have an ounce of sense or judgement. Hoping Starmer does.

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bombastix · 27/02/2025 15:59

We have big problems in the UK. Our security and military services are tied to the US, it goes deep.

I expect that was why Starmer got on that plane. Because he needs to know if the UK is speaking to the US or Putin I reality.

It is a high stakes moment and not really about Ukraine.

Maitri108 · 27/02/2025 15:45

Abhannmor · 27/02/2025 15:41

Gorbachev was promised that NATO would not expand to the Russian border. NATO says 'oh yeah but that agreement was with the Soviet union, thats gone now'. Technically true but bad faith nonetheless. They're all liars probably including Zelensky. But if I was him I'd promise Trump the sun moon and stars. Then renege when he's out of office. It's what DT would do.

Sidestepping Putin's excuse for the invasion, what happens to Ukraine and the rest of Eastern Europe whilst Trump is king?

Sure Zelensky can sign over 20% of his land and his natural resources, then what happens when Trump gets behind Putin and his mad imperialist fantasies?

IdaGlossop · 27/02/2025 15:44

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 15:32

@IdaGlossop you forgot a series of outrageous lies, that seems to be part and parcel of Trump.

Ah yes. You're right. But who can better Musk's 'The UK government has enabled the rape of the whole country'? (I paraphrase)

DH is convinced The Donald is going to change the constitution so that he can be World King for the rest of his life. There is of course a precedent: Putin.

Abhannmor · 27/02/2025 15:41

Maitri108 · 27/02/2025 14:11

Trump wants to work with Putin and I doubt either will honour any agreements. They've both broken them anyway. When Ukraine gave up their weapons, they were promised that Russia wouldn't invade and the US would help protect them.

There's talk of Musk giving Russia use of Starlink. They've gone to the dark side.

Gorbachev was promised that NATO would not expand to the Russian border. NATO says 'oh yeah but that agreement was with the Soviet union, thats gone now'. Technically true but bad faith nonetheless. They're all liars probably including Zelensky. But if I was him I'd promise Trump the sun moon and stars. Then renege when he's out of office. It's what DT would do.

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 15:32

@IdaGlossop you forgot a series of outrageous lies, that seems to be part and parcel of Trump.

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IdaGlossop · 27/02/2025 15:18

This is the reaction I expect from Starmer's visit to Trump: a warm reception, especially to the rumoured invite to Balmoral; defence budget of 2.5% of GDP by 2027 is not enough; USA will not provide a backstop to keep the peace in Ukraine; a wild card that not even experienced commentators have thought of; a random phonecall in the middle of the meeting- 'I'm here with Prime Minister Starmer. He's a nice guy. We're having a beautiful discussion. Britain is a beautiful country. Nice people. Nice people. I've been there a lot.'

coldandfrostymorning23 · 27/02/2025 15:18

EasternStandard · 27/02/2025 15:07

I don't get why we're trusting this either

Why can't Europe provide its own security guarantee rather than rely on Trump. He might say yes and be no

Easier said than done. It has taken around 80 years to develop the current NATO security architecture. Forces are interdependent eg The UK aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth is reliant on US destroyer escorts and US fighter plane capacity. Our “independent” nuclear deterrent contains US components which we cannot make ourselves. Deploying troops to front lines depends on infrastructure supplied by other NATO nations.

Changing this would require a massive injection of finance. And it would take years for non US NATO nations to develop the manufacturing capacity and skill sets needed to build things.

And nobody is clear whether we are aiming to pay mpre to keep the US in NATO. Or whether we want to develop an independent capacity. Answering that question will also take years.

EasternStandard · 27/02/2025 15:07

I don't get why we're trusting this either

Why can't Europe provide its own security guarantee rather than rely on Trump. He might say yes and be no

FancyRedRobin · 27/02/2025 14:37

I suppose what's stopping a Russian American alliance then? And where does that leave Europe?

I see capitulating to Trump and Putin about Ukraine about this as the first step in pushing borders.

It's extortion. Europe and UK need to ally quickly or else the carving up will begin and we'll be in a weaker state to resist.

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ThePoshUns · 27/02/2025 14:27

Sampler · 27/02/2025 14:16

To lower the tone somewhat - Trump is Putins bum boy and will do anything he says so I’d not be confident he’d honour any agreement outside what his hero wants. It will be interesting to see how Putin plays this as it could go tits up.

Funnily enough I used that exact same expression myself the other day. I know it is extremely un PC these days but it does describe Trump to a tee.

Mummyratbag · 27/02/2025 14:25

I find the whole thing horrendous, worrying and distasteful. Trump has a bloody nerve. The only tiny glimmer of positive I can see is if the US invest heavily in Ukraine to extract minerals there is a level of security in that they won't want their mines/extraction plants taken over by Russia? But then they have been exploited by the US instead. It's all very depressing.